Comments on: Open Discussion Day http://pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/ Linux. GNU. Freedom. Fri, 17 May 2013 20:46:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.6-beta2-24176 By: Aaron Toponce » Blog Archive » Open Discussion Day http://pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-50711 Aaron Toponce » Blog Archive » Open Discussion Day Thu, 10 May 2007 03:52:25 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-50711 [...] I blogged about this last year as well, and since then, I have only been using Jabber. I haven’t looked back. I had some family and friends on MSN and a few on ICQ, Yahoo! and AIM, so making the change wasn’t easy. In fact, it took a great deal of discussion with my wife and family members. When it came down to it, I had to do what was important for me, and being a Free Software advocate, I needed to drop proprietary protocols, and use only Jabber. It’s been one of the best decisions that I have made in my life. [...]

]]> By: PThree.org » Blog Archives » Goodbye Gaim- Forever http://pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-5227 PThree.org » Blog Archives » Goodbye Gaim- Forever Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:12:56 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-5227 [...] Since Open Discussion Day, I have connected personally to Jabber as my only means of IM communication, and I haven’t looked back. I don’t miss MSN, AIM, ICQ (although I am stuck using that at work), or Yahoo!. It’s been wonderful connecting only to Jabber using my Gmail account. [...]

]]> By: PThree.org » Blog Archive » Points of Clarification http://pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-132 PThree.org » Blog Archive » Points of Clarification Wed, 19 Apr 2006 03:29:18 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-132 [...] -Open Discussion Day [...]

]]> By: Steve Dibb » Blog Archive » purism isn’t practical http://pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-129 Steve Dibb » Blog Archive » purism isn’t practical Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:57:14 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-129 [...] A good example is Aaron’s idea to switch to Jabber-only communications over IM. I applaud his idealism, and I envy him for making such a bold move, but I would worry about cutting off communication with others who just don’t see things the way I do. It might be possible to convince all my friends to use Jabber clients instead of AOL / Yahoo / MSN / ICQ, but chances are more likely they won’t fire up one client (or switch to a client that has multi-protocol capabilities) just to talk to me. So, I compromise. I interact on their terms that they they consider standard. [...]

]]> By: Aaron http://pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-123 Aaron Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:17:55 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-123 I think your missing the point of the post. It isn’t whether or not anyone else uses proprietary protocols, it is the fact that I am. I do not want to connect to these closed services any longer. My friends and family can connect to them all they like, after all, they have their agency. However, if they want to chat with me, they will need to add another protocol, namely Jabber. Again, I am the one no longer using these services, and I am not forcing these beliefs on others.

]]> By: Adam http://pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-122 Adam Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:04:45 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-122 Why not just use GAIM so that you can use all of them. There really is no point in cutting people off because of a choice they make to use proprietary software. It is one thing to have your beliefs, but don’t force them on others. Why not say, in a variation of one of your church’s “articles of faith,” the following:

“I claim the privilege of messaging according to the dictates of my own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them message how, where, or what they may.”

GAIM supports Jabber and will not restrict you from seeing contacts that use other protocols…

]]> By: Aaron http://pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-120 Aaron Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:11:13 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-120 Doran Barton-

Thanks for leaving a reply. Luckily, choosing an IM service doesn’t have to be either one or the other. My family and friends can continue to keep their legacy IM accounts, yet just add a Jabber account if they would like to communicate with me. For me personally, it’s the principle of the matter, so it is either one or the other. But I’m not telling my family and friends they have to “switch”, just add another account.

I don’t use proprietary applications as much as possible. I have to at work, due to the nature of my job, but I also use OSS as much as I can. At home, and elsewhere, it’s all I use. I disagree in your statement in saying OSS “wasn’t created to exist completely independently (and exclusively) from proprietary, closed source solutions.” What else is it for? Surely it is to provide applications and solutions for people on a different paradigm that create community, instead of government.

Again, for me, why have the belief of using OSS exclusively, only to use proprietry IM services? It is hypocritical. FOSS is on direct competition with proprietary closed-source applications and solutions. This is the nature behind the GPL, GNU, Richard Stallman, Bruce Parens and the whole Linux community.

Luckily, no spotted owl, or anyone else for that matter, will suffer because people begin using open protocols and software such as Jabber.  :)

]]> By: Doran Barton http://pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-119 Doran Barton Wed, 12 Apr 2006 04:50:54 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-119 I take issue with your statement “It seems almost hypocritical to say ‘Use OSS!’ then turn around and login to MSN.”

Open Source and Free Software wasn’t created to exist completely independently (and exclusively) from proprietary, closed source solutions. It’s an alternative (albeit a superior alternative in many cases).

I applaud the effort to get more and more family and friends signed up with Jabber. Google Talk makes this much easier, but I know many people who simply won’t give up MSN or AOL. I don’t worry too much about it, though, because I’ve got a wide variety of OPEN SOURCE alternatives available to me to keep in touch with these people. These open source alternatives all do a spectacular job of talking to the servers operated by these proprietary, closed-source vendors.

What spotted owl is gonna die if you keep connecting to MSN or AOL with gaim? :)

]]> By: Kuyaedz http://pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-118 Kuyaedz Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:41:36 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/04/11/open-discussion-day/#comment-118 To hell with it. I’m going to hop on this bandwagon. This gives me plenty of time to get ready & give notice.

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