Comments on: Irrational Logic http://pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/ Linux. GNU. Freedom. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:59:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4-alpha By: findlay http://pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-6439 findlay Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:29:32 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-6439 Because irc is a public forum with an unwritten code of etiquette part of which says that automated responses are not good. The reason for this is because the depth of communication is greatly limited to only plain text in a real-time serial fashion any unnecessary interjection detracts from the already drastically constricted conversation space. This is probably why autonomous bots are so disliked. Yes, onjoin, offpart(?), and nick change messages are annoying, but how would you eliminate them in a plain text client while still knowing who's around and what they are called? Multiple panes seems like it might be the answer with one pane showing who is online. Because irc is a public forum with an unwritten code of etiquette part of which says that automated responses are not good. The reason for this is because the depth of communication is greatly limited to only plain text in a real-time serial fashion any unnecessary interjection detracts from the already drastically constricted conversation space. This is probably why autonomous bots are so disliked. Yes, onjoin, offpart(?), and nick change messages are annoying, but how would you eliminate them in a plain text client while still knowing who’s around and what they are called? Multiple panes seems like it might be the answer with one pane showing who is online.

]]> By: Aaron http://pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-6155 Aaron Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:30:12 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-6155 So what happens when I change my nick? ~ atoponce is now atoponce|away Is that just annoying? Because I get absolutely no flack for it at all, but using an away script, I do. Maybe I'll use the away script to just change my nick. Then I won't get any problems at all. :) So what happens when I change my nick?

~ atoponce is now atoponce|away

Is that just annoying? Because I get absolutely no flack for it at all, but using an away script, I do. Maybe I’ll use the away script to just change my nick. Then I won’t get any problems at all. :)

]]> By: Christer Edwards http://pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-5957 Christer Edwards Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:37:48 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-5957 I actually thought your script was cool & tells me when you're actually available (something that I often wonder when looking for your infinite wisdom). Doesn't make a lot of sense I guess.. just one of those unexplainable things. Like, why people use Gentoo ;) (yes, that was a digg at Steve commenting just above) I actually thought your script was cool & tells me when you’re actually available (something that I often wonder when looking for your infinite wisdom).

Doesn’t make a lot of sense I guess.. just one of those unexplainable things. Like, why people use Gentoo ;)

(yes, that was a digg at Steve commenting just above)

]]> By: Steve http://pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-5893 Steve Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:52:08 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-5893 I dunno, it seems pretty simple to me -- one is you doing something, another is an automechanism declaring your status that if we wanted to know, we could find out by ourselves. Think about it this way -- it would be equally annoying if everytime you entered a channel, you actioned that you were present. Nobody cares about anyone's status until they are actively looking for them. I dunno, it seems pretty simple to me — one is you doing something, another is an automechanism declaring your status that if we wanted to know, we could find out by ourselves.

Think about it this way — it would be equally annoying if everytime you entered a channel, you actioned that you were present.

Nobody cares about anyone’s status until they are actively looking for them.

]]> By: Hans Fugal http://pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-5891 Hans Fugal Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:28:44 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-5891 IRC doesn't tell us when you're dancing, bored, or getting a drink. If you want us to know that, you have to tell us. OTOH, 90% of people are away 80% of the time, so if everyone said they were away all the time it would be a lot of noise. Plus, if we really want to know who's away or not, our clients can tell us either explicitly or by greying out names, or we can ask the good old-fashioned way with /whois. In short, you're being redundant. We don't want redundancy en masse, so we let people know we don't appreciate their redundancy, before it gets out of hand. IRC doesn’t tell us when you’re dancing, bored, or getting a drink. If you want us to know that, you have to tell us.

OTOH, 90% of people are away 80% of the time, so if everyone said they were away all the time it would be a lot of noise. Plus, if we really want to know who’s away or not, our clients can tell us either explicitly or by greying out names, or we can ask the good old-fashioned way with /whois.

In short, you’re being redundant. We don’t want redundancy en masse, so we let people know we don’t appreciate their redundancy, before it gets out of hand.

]]> By: Matthew Kimber http://pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-5888 Matthew Kimber Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:58:01 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-5888 Isn't a philisophical reason an opinion? Isn’t a philisophical reason an opinion?

]]> By: HarleyPig http://pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-5886 HarleyPig Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:33:27 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2006/09/17/irrational-logic/#comment-5886 There is no rational, or even irrational, explanation as to why people dislike them. It's just one of those things that a community--for whatever reason--decides it doesn't like something. There is no rational, or even irrational, explanation as to why people dislike them. It’s just one of those things that a community–for whatever reason–decides it doesn’t like something.

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