Comments on: Internet Explorer Paradox http://pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/ Linux. GNU. Freedom. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:45:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7-almost-rc-9997 hourly 1 By: Aaron http://pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-33239 Aaron Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:48:54 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-33239 Matthew- No doubt. You can't target one browser when developing. You need to test for all of them. But, the "supposed" standards compliant browsers, as you call them, make web development easy. Internet Explorer makes it a pain, and I wonder if internal Microsoft web developers feel that pain or not. Matthew-

No doubt. You can’t target one browser when developing. You need to test for all of them.

But, the “supposed” standards compliant browsers, as you call them, make web development easy. Internet Explorer makes it a pain, and I wonder if internal Microsoft web developers feel that pain or not.

]]> By: Matthew Kimber http://pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-33238 Matthew Kimber Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:46:07 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-33238 Let's not forget that even these supposed "standards compliant" browsers render things completely different. You just never know what you're going to get when developing a page targeted at more than one browser. We've all had to go through the "tweak" phase of an interface design. Let’s not forget that even these supposed “standards compliant” browsers render things completely different. You just never know what you’re going to get when developing a page targeted at more than one browser. We’ve all had to go through the “tweak” phase of an interface design.

]]> By: Aaron http://pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32502 Aaron Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:55:07 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32502 Jon- That brings up another question: why can't I develop for both version 6 <em>and</em> version 7? It seems to me that Microsoft is only interested in making my web development career difficult. Jon-

That brings up another question: why can’t I develop for both version 6 and version 7? It seems to me that Microsoft is only interested in making my web development career difficult.

]]> By: Jon http://pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32478 Jon Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:31:28 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32478 They <em>did</em>. IE7 is a major step. Just not all the way. They did. IE7 is a major step. Just not all the way.

]]> By: Aaron http://pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32415 Aaron Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:23:06 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32415 Anonymous- Well, unfortunately, that attitude doesn't work in corporate or business settings. I am a web developer professionally, and I just can't take that attitude. I have to make my browser compatible with IE. I just do. However, I can put links and information on my site about using a standards compatible browser, and encourage them to use it. Anonymous-

Well, unfortunately, that attitude doesn’t work in corporate or business settings. I am a web developer professionally, and I just can’t take that attitude. I have to make my browser compatible with IE. I just do. However, I can put links and information on my site about using a standards compatible browser, and encourage them to use it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32407 Anonymous Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:09:03 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32407 Yeah forget that browser. If people still are like "let's make our page compatible with that shitty browser" you are just making your code more shitty and you arent helping Firefox. If you are like that people will still use IE. If you put a message like "your browser is not W3C compliant, get a decent one" and you point them to Firefox they will realize that their browser sucks and they will change it. Yeah forget that browser. If people still are like “let’s make our page compatible with that shitty browser” you are just making your code more shitty and you arent helping Firefox. If you are like that people will still use IE. If you put a message like “your browser is not W3C compliant, get a decent one” and you point them to Firefox they will realize that their browser sucks and they will change it.

]]> By: Aaron http://pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32349 Aaron Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:19:15 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32349 dbr- I know that it is the most widely used browser. I'm not arguing that. What I wonder, is if the developers for Microsoft sites have just as hard as a time developing for IE as the rest of the world does. If not, what is their secret? Christer- But don't the in-house Microsoft web developers have the same frustration that the rest of the web developers do? Take, for example, absolute positioning, or transparent png's. Don't these bother in-house devs? dbr- I know that it is the most widely used browser. I’m not arguing that. What I wonder, is if the developers for Microsoft sites have just as hard as a time developing for IE as the rest of the world does. If not, what is their secret?

Christer- But don’t the in-house Microsoft web developers have the same frustration that the rest of the web developers do? Take, for example, absolute positioning, or transparent png’s. Don’t these bother in-house devs?

]]> By: Christer Edwards http://pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32346 Christer Edwards Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:04:29 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32346 They don't because they don't have to (or they believe they don't have to). They are large enough that they can try to develop their own standards, even if those fly in the face of established standards. Every M$ fanboy I know uses Firefox. The people that use IE simply just don't know any better. They don’t because they don’t have to (or they believe they don’t have to). They are large enough that they can try to develop their own standards, even if those fly in the face of established standards.

Every M$ fanboy I know uses Firefox. The people that use IE simply just don’t know any better.

]]> By: nfin http://pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32301 nfin Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:21:44 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32301 So to sum-up... it was all intended... It is a pitty... but thankfully Firefox helped to put some presserue on Microsoft. So to sum-up… it was all intended…
It is a pitty… but thankfully Firefox helped to put some presserue on Microsoft.

]]> By: nfin http://pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32299 nfin Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:19:04 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32299 Hi ! I am happy, that some people do ask themselves this question ! Joel gave a very good answer to this. The article is already a bit old, but there are a lot of smart and true things in it. It is worth reading it, event if it is a bit long: http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html bye Hi !

I am happy, that some people do ask themselves this question !

Joel gave a very good answer to this. The article is already a bit old, but there are a lot of smart and true things in it. It is worth reading it, event if it is a bit long:

http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html

bye

]]> By: dbr http://pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32296 dbr Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:31:40 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/02/15/internet-explorer-paradox/#comment-32296 Standards-compliant or not, IE is widely used (Willingly or not) - You have to develop for it, simply because it's so widely used. But, I agree - I've never understood why such a large company like Microsoft can't (or more importantly, *don't* ) make IE standards-compliant. The only vaguely plausible explanation I can think of is that it's implementation of CSS is required for Explorer's (the file-browser part, which if I remeber correctly is largely based of IE) display - But even if it's remotely true, it's hardly a reason to have a non-compliant browser.. - Ben Standards-compliant or not, IE is widely used (Willingly or not) - You have to develop for it, simply because it’s so widely used. But, I agree - I’ve never understood why such a large company like Microsoft can’t (or more importantly, *don’t* ) make IE standards-compliant.
The only vaguely plausible explanation I can think of is that it’s implementation of CSS is required for Explorer’s (the file-browser part, which if I remeber correctly is largely based of IE) display - But even if it’s remotely true, it’s hardly a reason to have a non-compliant browser..
- Ben

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