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LINUX-Блоґ.org.ua » Чому XMPP. Частина 1. Пріорітет — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:43:12 +0000

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By: Aaron

Aaron — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:40:56 +0000

@vonderer- YES!! That would be wonderful! As long as the license is adhered, I have absolutely no problem with it, and hope that people would redistribute my content as often as they wish under the terms of that license.

By: vonderer

vonderer — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:32:28 +0000

Good time of the day.
Nice posts about Jabber, thank you very much. Don’t you mind if I translate your posts about XMPP into Russian and post them at my blog? Of course, links to your posts will be given and you will be mentioned as original author of the posts.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:32:46 +0000

@#8 When signing into a second AIM session, you’ll receive an IM notifying you that you’re signed in to multiple locations, and that you can disconnect the other session, if you’d like, by replying to that IM with a certain number.

I believe that on AIM, incoming IMs will be sent to all connected clients, though outgoing ones won’t be mirrored in such a way.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:48:42 +0000

@Jason- Jabber here in my colophon page. Feel free to add me to your roster anytime.

By: Jason

Jason — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:44:46 +0000

@Kevin:
Start educating. Giving up prematurely isn’t any better.

@Al:
AIM doesn’t have it.
Also, your second sentence tells me you misunderstood something:
“I’d much rather log in from wherever I am and receive all the messages I’ve been sent while away, than have to ssh into different machines to check them (essentially like emails).”
You don’t have to tunnel everywhere to get your offline messages.
If you are offline, and messages are queued, whenever you log in, from anywhere, you receive them.

Regarding central log storage; GMail/GTalk already does this, and there’s a XEP in the works to address this on a more broad scale.

@Everett:
Simultaneous Sessions is only one part of the grand scheme of things. AIM doesn’t do offline message delivery.

@Aaron:
It does, and there are some general circumstances. I think it’s also a TOC vs. OSCAR thing, but I’m not sure.

It sends the messages to all sessions, at all times.
There is no logic to it.

By the way, what is your Jabber address?

By: Aaron

Aaron — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:33:35 +0000

@Everett- I’ve had an AIM account, and I never remember it supporting multiple connections. Every time I ran the client, it would disconnect the other. However, if it does (and I was doing something wrong), how does it know where to send the message without setting priorities?

By: Everett

Everett — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:02:47 +0000

AIM has supported multiple simultaneous sessions for years now. Not sure about the other major protocols.

By: russ

russ — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:13:23 +0000

A while back I tried setting up a Jabber server (on Ubuntu, of course) but didn’t have any luck. Any info on that?

By: Aaron

Aaron — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:19:57 +0000

@Bogomips- Offline message support is a wonderful feature, but unfortunately, not al XMPP/Jabber providers support it. And a post on resources is forthcoming.

@Kevin- Converting friends and family to XMPP/Jabber as well, can be a pain. Fortunately, this issue is resolved through transports, which is also in a forthcoming post.

@Al- Offline messaging really doesn’t relate much to priorities. Priorities, coupled with resources allow you to be logged in more than once, completely transparently to users in your roster. Offline messaging is built into XMPP/Jabber as well, but as mentioned above, not all providers support it. And, with keeping a central message history, I’m not worried about that too much, so my priorities in using IM are different.

By: Al

Al — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:56:10 +0000

Interesting… still, offline message support in ICQ, Skype, MSN, Yahoo, and probably a dozen other, makes priorities a bit redundant. I’d much rather log in from wherever I am and receive all the messages I’ve been sent while away, than have to ssh into different machines to check them (essentially like emails). It also helps keep your message history central – at least to that particular time period when you weren’t logged in.

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By: Kevin

Kevin — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:49:37 +0000

Well you’ve already convinced me that its better. Only problem is, is that all my contacts are on msn. And convincing some of them who think “msn is the only IM there is cause that what windows had” could be a little difficult.

By: Bogomips

Bogomips — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:45:38 +0000

XMPP is just full of neat stuff I don’t use priorities very much myself, especially since there’s offline message support. I don’t need to be logged in all the time to make sure I receive all the messages addressed to me.

You should also have explained resources, as it goes hand in hand with priorities in determining where a message will get routed to.