Comments on: Aptitude Full-Upgrade Versus Safe-Upgrade

By: 8cb8

8cb8 — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:18:40 +0000

Yeah, the safe-upgrade is a good suggestion. I’ve been running a Debian Testing/Lenny system for a while and am only moderately good at debugging. But I’ve found with the safe-upgrade instead of full-upgrade, I have far fewer problems arise.

By: fellini

fellini — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:11:32 +0000

Unfortunately, what makes it difficult for users to achieve competency in various Linux distributions is that enlightened users tend not to have time to share best practices with their peers. Linux software and distributions tend to progress faster than the documentation, so it makes it difficult for some users to correlate rtfms with current versions and best practices. This bog answered my question quite concisely.

By: Matt

Matt — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:51:48 +0000

“Curious why, I visited #debian, only to be told to upgrade and RTFM. Nice.”

Oh yeah, I heard THAT!
That’s one reason why Debian is the worst Linux to use (even though I use it).
It’s a sad fact that there are far to many people like this. These e-cowards are one reason why Linux will never be as popular as Windows.
But you know, the openSUSE people are a very helpful crowd. I guess maybe Europeans have much more manners that stoopid amewikans.

By: James Stansell

James Stansell — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:50:01 +0000

Running Sid pretty much signifies that “you’re adventurous and willing to debug unstable systems.” Even testing can be adventurous at times.

As bla said above, you might do better sticking with testing and just installing any additional packages from sid as required. I actually did that with fair results for a few years.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:52:57 +0000

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By: Wagner Volanin

Wagner Volanin — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:11:51 +0000

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By: Jason

Jason — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:10:12 +0000

@Anonymous:
“..and maybe use a distro that refrains from telling you to RTFM? Just a thought.”

Yeah, that doesn’t exist…

By: bla

bla — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:33:56 +0000

2.6.22 from sid just installs fine in testing.

By: MJ Ray

MJ Ray — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:58:56 +0000

Anonymous, the distribution didn’t tell him to RTFM. One support channel did.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:27:24 +0000

@bapoumba- Yeah. Which is fine, it’s just the ‘full-upgrade’ that killed me. I knew about it before hand, however.

@poor man- Ok. I’ll run testing when the 2.6.22 kernel reaches the trunk. Until then, I need Sid.

@zulu9- apt-get dist-upgrade was the recommendation of someone else, only to remove several gnome packages end leave me further wishing I had never gotten in this mess.

@monkey- I would recommend Sid over Ubuntu. I have less stability issues and problems with Sid than with Ubuntu, although Dapper is still a beautiful release. With that said, I need the 2.6.22 kernel, and I’m not going to roll my own, as I like what Debian does to it.

By: monkey

monkey — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:55:56 +0000

For me this easier to try man xxxx first, then googling, and then irc.

But using sid is like using an alpha version of ubuntu, it is not recommended for serious work.

By: zulu9

zulu9 — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:40:47 +0000

debian and esp. #debian do not really support sid. If you run it you are on your own. Anyway, there is a distro dedicated to make sid more useable for mere mortals (with upgrade warnings and support via forum and irc) named sidux.
Maybe give it a try.

They recommend (and support) using the classical apt-get dist-upgrade only to upgrade a sid system and always watch for current alerts in their forum or irc-channel before doing so. There are also some small tools to make this more easy (alert icon, update script etc).

By: poor man

poor man — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:16:48 +0000

how about running testing, nobody asked you to run the development version

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:37:56 +0000

..and maybe use a distro that refrains from telling you to RTFM? Just a thought.

By: bapoumba

bapoumba — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:47:34 +0000

Hello!
full-upgrade is the former dist-upgrade