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	<description>Linux.  GNU.  Freedom.</description>
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		<title>By: mike 1900</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-105019</link>
		<dc:creator>mike 1900</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It  can  viewed for  majority of  high audience  that  the  approach  of Sun has  been  very  disturbing  towards Microsoft. Hence it is widely acclaimed towards Sun Micro systems.

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		<title>By: Nathan Myers</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72979</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should I vote for Kang or Kodos?

Don't forget that Sun also made a deal with Microsoft.  Neither company has clean hands.  Both employ Free Software developers doing cool things, along with lots of people doing decidedly uncool things.  Both are doomed, although neither will actually close up shop.

Probably the question is, will they send some of their available cash your way in exchange for writing some really-Free software, before they lay you off or get bought up by some Evil Empire?  Toss-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should I vote for Kang or Kodos?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that Sun also made a deal with Microsoft.  Neither company has clean hands.  Both employ Free Software developers doing cool things, along with lots of people doing decidedly uncool things.  Both are doomed, although neither will actually close up shop.</p>
<p>Probably the question is, will they send some of their available cash your way in exchange for writing some really-Free software, before they lay you off or get bought up by some Evil Empire?  Toss-up.</p>
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		<title>By: Chasing Nuts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SUN the hyperactive company</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72973</link>
		<dc:creator>Chasing Nuts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SUN the hyperactive company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recent blog post titled “Poll: Novell or Sun Microsystems?” managed to get me all excited today. Aaron Toponce posted a poll on his blog asking who you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recent blog post titled “Poll: Novell or Sun Microsystems?” managed to get me all excited today. Aaron Toponce posted a poll on his blog asking who you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72970</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to say Novell any day over SUN.  The main reason I would select Novell over SUN is SUN has appeared to me as jumpy as a squirrel on jolt when it comes to products and company direction.  Specifically Hammy the hyperactive squirrel from &lt;a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327084/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Over the Hedge&lt;/a&gt; comes to mind.  
Someone made a &lt;a href="http://origin.arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.media/sunstrategy.gif" rel="nofollow"&gt;great joke image&lt;/a&gt; on this line of thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to say Novell any day over SUN.  The main reason I would select Novell over SUN is SUN has appeared to me as jumpy as a squirrel on jolt when it comes to products and company direction.  Specifically Hammy the hyperactive squirrel from <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327084/" rel="nofollow">Over the Hedge</a> comes to mind.<br />
Someone made a <a href="http://origin.arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.media/sunstrategy.gif" rel="nofollow">great joke image</a> on this line of thought.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72965</link>
		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having worked for both companies, there is not much to choose between them. 

Judge them both on actions alone, not PR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked for both companies, there is not much to choose between them. </p>
<p>Judge them both on actions alone, not PR</p>
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		<title>By: NJ Hewitt</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72957</link>
		<dc:creator>NJ Hewitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't it odd that most of the comments are pro-Novell and the votes are overwhelmingly pro-Sun?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it odd that most of the comments are pro-Novell and the votes are overwhelmingly pro-Sun?</p>
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		<title>By: apokryphos</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72948</link>
		<dc:creator>apokryphos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that this blog post has made (and said amount of people have voted the way they have) only highlights one important fact: how deeply the FUD has penetrated into the community. It's gone so far that it's not really even funny anymore.

I take it you like the Linux desktop? Let's not beat around the block here: Novell/SUSE is THE biggest contributor in the world to the Linux desktop. There is simply no other company that hires the amount of Linux engineers to work directly on the desktop, that promotes the use of it as widely as it does, and that has taken it seriously while grounding its future in its success. 

If you think Novell is riding on the "razor's edge" you've been listening to too much FUD from some negative open source headlines. Novell is doing pretty damn well, in fact:
* More Linux engineers
* More copies of SLE being sold than ever
* Stable high stocks
* Many deals recently with very large OEMs: AMD, IBM, Dell.

That you think they let off the AppArmor developers "on a whim" is pretty curious. I'd love to hear where you're getting your information from, or how you're deducing that.

The fact that you think Novell is set for a buyout from Microsoft is mildly hilarious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that this blog post has made (and said amount of people have voted the way they have) only highlights one important fact: how deeply the FUD has penetrated into the community. It&#8217;s gone so far that it&#8217;s not really even funny anymore.</p>
<p>I take it you like the Linux desktop? Let&#8217;s not beat around the block here: Novell/SUSE is THE biggest contributor in the world to the Linux desktop. There is simply no other company that hires the amount of Linux engineers to work directly on the desktop, that promotes the use of it as widely as it does, and that has taken it seriously while grounding its future in its success. </p>
<p>If you think Novell is riding on the &#8220;razor&#8217;s edge&#8221; you&#8217;ve been listening to too much FUD from some negative open source headlines. Novell is doing pretty damn well, in fact:<br />
* More Linux engineers<br />
* More copies of SLE being sold than ever<br />
* Stable high stocks<br />
* Many deals recently with very large OEMs: AMD, IBM, Dell.</p>
<p>That you think they let off the AppArmor developers &#8220;on a whim&#8221; is pretty curious. I&#8217;d love to hear where you&#8217;re getting your information from, or how you&#8217;re deducing that.</p>
<p>The fact that you think Novell is set for a buyout from Microsoft is mildly hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: sontek ( John M. Anderson ) &#187; Who would you rather work for Novell or Sun</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72815</link>
		<dc:creator>sontek ( John M. Anderson ) &#187; Who would you rather work for Novell or Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Toponce has posted up a poll on his blog here and I wanted to cover some of the hypocrisies in the post and express my own [...]</description>
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		<title>By: heathenx</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72808</link>
		<dc:creator>heathenx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I choose Novell!

Why does everyone give Sun a pass on partnering with Microsoft but Novell gets raked over the coals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I choose Novell!</p>
<p>Why does everyone give Sun a pass on partnering with Microsoft but Novell gets raked over the coals?</p>
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		<title>By: sontek</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72800</link>
		<dc:creator>sontek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would want to work for Novell just because of the contributions they make to the open source community.  I use Banshee, Tomboy, Evolution, Open Office, Compiz, Mono, AppArmor, and F-Spot daily.   And I love the innovative things they are doing with banter and giver.

Sun is *not* an open company, they try to keep as much closed as possible, and although they have been moving towards being open again, they have a long ways to go before they can ever match the contributions Novell has given us.

But besides all these things, did you forget that Sun and Microsoft struck a deal years before Novell ever did?

http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/features/sun_microsoft.html
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2004/apr04/04-02SunAgreementPR.mspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would want to work for Novell just because of the contributions they make to the open source community.  I use Banshee, Tomboy, Evolution, Open Office, Compiz, Mono, AppArmor, and F-Spot daily.   And I love the innovative things they are doing with banter and giver.</p>
<p>Sun is *not* an open company, they try to keep as much closed as possible, and although they have been moving towards being open again, they have a long ways to go before they can ever match the contributions Novell has given us.</p>
<p>But besides all these things, did you forget that Sun and Microsoft struck a deal years before Novell ever did?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/features/sun_microsoft.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/features/sun_microsoft.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2004/apr04/04-02SunAgreementPR.mspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2004/apr04/04-02SunAgreementPR.mspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Terranova</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72777</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Terranova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won't be voting, because it's not that clear-cut an issue. It entirely depends on what I'd be working on.

For example: if Sun was hiring to ease integration between OpenSolaris and Linux (particularly integrating ZFS into Linux, after they put it under a compatible license), and Novell was hiring for working on integration between SuSe and Microsoft products, I'd definitely go with Sun. On the other hand, if Novell wanted developers to work on projects which benefit Linux (ex: Mono, Samba, etc), and Sun wanted developers to try to compete Solaris against Linux, I'd probably go with Novell (although working with Ian Murdock would be interesting).

My point? Novell and Sun are very large companies, with departments that many times have differing purposes and directions. If someone put a gun to my head and told me to choose, I'd choose the one offering a position through which I'd have the best opportunity to help the Linux and Open-Source community. On the same token, I'd choose Microsoft over Canonical, &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; I believed the position at Microsoft would give me a better opportunity to contribute to the Open-Source community. It's about what you do, not what your company does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t be voting, because it&#8217;s not that clear-cut an issue. It entirely depends on what I&#8217;d be working on.</p>
<p>For example: if Sun was hiring to ease integration between OpenSolaris and Linux (particularly integrating ZFS into Linux, after they put it under a compatible license), and Novell was hiring for working on integration between SuSe and Microsoft products, I&#8217;d definitely go with Sun. On the other hand, if Novell wanted developers to work on projects which benefit Linux (ex: Mono, Samba, etc), and Sun wanted developers to try to compete Solaris against Linux, I&#8217;d probably go with Novell (although working with Ian Murdock would be interesting).</p>
<p>My point? Novell and Sun are very large companies, with departments that many times have differing purposes and directions. If someone put a gun to my head and told me to choose, I&#8217;d choose the one offering a position through which I&#8217;d have the best opportunity to help the Linux and Open-Source community. On the same token, I&#8217;d choose Microsoft over Canonical, <i>if</i> I believed the position at Microsoft would give me a better opportunity to contribute to the Open-Source community. It&#8217;s about what you do, not what your company does.</p>
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		<title>By: Hub</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72730</link>
		<dc:creator>Hub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main difference between Novell and Sun is that Novell works to make Linux and Free Software better, while Sun does not. Sun just use Free Software as a way to save themself, but they don't even beleive in it. 

Worse, they make sure to not help Linux. Example: DTrace and ZFS are not released under a licensing that is compatible with Linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main difference between Novell and Sun is that Novell works to make Linux and Free Software better, while Sun does not. Sun just use Free Software as a way to save themself, but they don&#8217;t even beleive in it. </p>
<p>Worse, they make sure to not help Linux. Example: DTrace and ZFS are not released under a licensing that is compatible with Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: Damain Wojslaw</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72729</link>
		<dc:creator>Damain Wojslaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sun. I don't feel strong about both corporations and it is naive to believe that they do something out of ideology. The only point is to make shareholders happy, but I believe that right now Sun is taking the right direction. Because, remember, making shareholders happy include making profit in the long run. As for Sun producing low quality products. I used to be all Linux fan, until I installed my first Solaris 10 server. This OS simply rocked my world. Linux is cool and fun, but when you install your first binary kernel module compiled for Solaris 8 and it simply works for Solaris 10, when you DTrace your rampage spamd, you'll understand,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sun. I don&#8217;t feel strong about both corporations and it is naive to believe that they do something out of ideology. The only point is to make shareholders happy, but I believe that right now Sun is taking the right direction. Because, remember, making shareholders happy include making profit in the long run. As for Sun producing low quality products. I used to be all Linux fan, until I installed my first Solaris 10 server. This OS simply rocked my world. Linux is cool and fun, but when you install your first binary kernel module compiled for Solaris 8 and it simply works for Solaris 10, when you DTrace your rampage spamd, you&#8217;ll understand,</p>
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		<title>By: Irony</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72723</link>
		<dc:creator>Irony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that everytime I read clueless FUD, it's usually posted by an Ubuntu user? 

Considering Novell's contribution to the Linux desktop, server and security, it's curious that especially an Ubuntu user, a distribution that leeches everything from others, would criticize it - how's that XGL/Compiz and AppArmor looking in the next Ubuntu release now?

Ah, the irony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that everytime I read clueless FUD, it&#8217;s usually posted by an Ubuntu user? </p>
<p>Considering Novell&#8217;s contribution to the Linux desktop, server and security, it&#8217;s curious that especially an Ubuntu user, a distribution that leeches everything from others, would criticize it - how&#8217;s that XGL/Compiz and AppArmor looking in the next Ubuntu release now?</p>
<p>Ah, the irony.</p>
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		<title>By: nixternal</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2007/10/16/poll-novell-or-sun-microsystems/#comment-72719</link>
		<dc:creator>nixternal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for Sun here in Chicago. I worked on their Enterprise server lines (3500 up to the e10K), and our whole department was laid off. Sun does just as much laying off as Novell if not more. But also take into consideration that Sun is considerably larger in employee base I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for Sun here in Chicago. I worked on their Enterprise server lines (3500 up to the e10K), and our whole department was laid off. Sun does just as much laying off as Novell if not more. But also take into consideration that Sun is considerably larger in employee base I think.</p>
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