Comments on: Apology Issued To Mozilla http://pthree.org/2008/02/01/apology-issued-to-mozilla/ Linux. GNU. Freedom. Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:56:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7-RC1-10015 hourly 1 By: Dirk Gently http://pthree.org/2008/02/01/apology-issued-to-mozilla/#comment-90740 Dirk Gently Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:23:22 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=546#comment-90740 I think comments about Firefox 2 memory leaks are pretty well known and got worse with subsequent updates. I still use firefox (well, Epiphany mostly now) and its a great browser. Not sure what happened in the development cycle in 2.0* but I am really excited to try 3.0 soon. I think comments about Firefox 2 memory leaks are pretty well known and got worse with subsequent updates. I still use firefox (well, Epiphany mostly now) and its a great browser. Not sure what happened in the development cycle in 2.0* but I am really excited to try 3.0 soon.

]]> By: xabbott http://pthree.org/2008/02/01/apology-issued-to-mozilla/#comment-90490 xabbott Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:17:34 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=546#comment-90490 While I appreciate this post, I still don't understand many of the criticisms. You mention stability and bloat but not anything specific. These vague words that can be applied to many big projects. If you are going to "worry" about it getting bloated and unstable. Run FF3 and give some solid feedback. While I appreciate this post, I still don’t understand many of the criticisms. You mention stability and bloat but not anything specific. These vague words that can be applied to many big projects.

If you are going to “worry” about it getting bloated and unstable. Run FF3 and give some solid feedback.

]]> By: tacone http://pthree.org/2008/02/01/apology-issued-to-mozilla/#comment-90473 tacone Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:27:24 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=546#comment-90473 I really think that you are absolutely right. Firefox on a small computer (512mb - not so small if you think about it) it's a bloat and really makes your life harder. Even after buying a new computer at home, I experience this at home, and all my colleagues agree fully. Here we are, they say they will fix many memory leaks for 3.0, but they said the very same for 2.0. Despite that, we notice a big degrade from 1.5 to 2.0. Shipping early won't hurt so much, since they have an internet automated upgrade in place, but they really should sit down and fix the bugs, even if it means reorganize the code. While I understand the reasons of your apologies, you're right, so right. If it was for their nice plugin architecture and the strong plugin community (i.e. firebug), I'd already have switched. Cheers, Stefano I really think that you are absolutely right. Firefox on a small computer (512mb - not so small if you think about it) it’s a bloat and really makes your life harder.
Even after buying a new computer at home, I experience this at home, and all my colleagues agree fully.
Here we are, they say they will fix many memory leaks for 3.0, but they said the very same for 2.0. Despite that, we notice a big degrade from 1.5 to 2.0.

Shipping early won’t hurt so much, since they have an internet automated upgrade in place, but they really should sit down and fix the bugs, even if it means reorganize the code.

While I understand the reasons of your apologies, you’re right, so right. If it was for their nice plugin architecture and the strong plugin community (i.e. firebug), I’d already have switched.

Cheers, Stefano

]]> By: Ante Karamatic http://pthree.org/2008/02/01/apology-issued-to-mozilla/#comment-90471 Ante Karamatic Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:11:02 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=546#comment-90471 While FFX has some improvments in third version, I agree with Aaron. For example, new location bar is almost unusable, on Linux at least (it steals focus - Ctrl+L is unusable if mouse is bellow the location bar). This is why I gave up on FFX3betas. Aaron, Midori shows some ambition. It uses webkit rendering engine and is very good and stable for such a young product. I wish all the best to the Mozilla team. True, sometimes I hate them cause Linux users were the people that did promotion of their product and now we are on the back seat of the car. But, most of the time, they are on the right track :) While FFX has some improvments in third version, I agree with Aaron. For example, new location bar is almost unusable, on Linux at least (it steals focus - Ctrl+L is unusable if mouse is bellow the location bar). This is why I gave up on FFX3betas.

Aaron, Midori shows some ambition. It uses webkit rendering engine and is very good and stable for such a young product.

I wish all the best to the Mozilla team. True, sometimes I hate them cause Linux users were the people that did promotion of their product and now we are on the back seat of the car. But, most of the time, they are on the right track :)

]]> By: Maxo http://pthree.org/2008/02/01/apology-issued-to-mozilla/#comment-90468 Maxo Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:01:30 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=546#comment-90468 Glad to see you take responsibility for the first post. I think most of us the interwebs have a bad tendency of reading one story and just running with it. On FF3, being subscribed to Planet Mozilla I see the developers actively pursuing bloat and memory management with top priority. My personal experience with FF3b3 has been very positive and I think will be in fixing some long standing problems that have been going on since 1.5, as you pointed out. The usability UI improvements, better memory management, and better integration with GTK+ in Linux is really making FF3 something to be very excited about. Glad to see you take responsibility for the first post. I think most of us the interwebs have a bad tendency of reading one story and just running with it.
On FF3, being subscribed to Planet Mozilla I see the developers actively pursuing bloat and memory management with top priority. My personal experience with FF3b3 has been very positive and I think will be in fixing some long standing problems that have been going on since 1.5, as you pointed out.
The usability UI improvements, better memory management, and better integration with GTK+ in Linux is really making FF3 something to be very excited about.

]]> By: Aitortxu http://pthree.org/2008/02/01/apology-issued-to-mozilla/#comment-90464 Aitortxu Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:49:57 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=546#comment-90464 For me (OSX-Intel) Firefox 3 (as of Beta2 and with "Proto" Theme) is *the* *best* *Firefox* *yet*; really fast and with a decent memory footprint. Keep up the good work and keep improving Firefox. Thanks! For me (OSX-Intel) Firefox 3 (as of Beta2 and with “Proto” Theme) is *the* *best* *Firefox* *yet*; really fast and with a decent memory footprint.

Keep up the good work and keep improving Firefox.

Thanks!

]]> By: Asa Dotzler http://pthree.org/2008/02/01/apology-issued-to-mozilla/#comment-90461 Asa Dotzler Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:30:01 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=546#comment-90461 Hey Aaron, thanks for the updated story here. We're very hard at work making Firefox 3 not only the best Firefox yet, but the best browser on the planet. While I'm obviously a partisan, I think we're already there with the latest builds and will be well ahead of the pack in terms of stability, memory usage, performance, and usability by the time we ship (two more betas to go, the next one just about a week away). If you want to get a taste of how things are progressing, I suggest grabbing the latest snapshot or compiling from a recent (yesterday or newer) source pull/drop. It really is kicking much ass -- going back to previous versions feels like trying to type with mittens on. In the end, the proof is in the pudding and I hope it'll be obvious by the shipping Firefox 3 that we've put more effort into all the right places and done more work to take care of the most neglected areas. We're already over two years of dedicated development making this release and I think we've covered all of the areas where we received feedback requesting/demanding improvement. Thanks again for updating the post. - A Hey Aaron, thanks for the updated story here. We’re very hard at work making Firefox 3 not only the best Firefox yet, but the best browser on the planet. While I’m obviously a partisan, I think we’re already there with the latest builds and will be well ahead of the pack in terms of stability, memory usage, performance, and usability by the time we ship (two more betas to go, the next one just about a week away).

If you want to get a taste of how things are progressing, I suggest grabbing the latest snapshot or compiling from a recent (yesterday or newer) source pull/drop. It really is kicking much ass — going back to previous versions feels like trying to type with mittens on.

In the end, the proof is in the pudding and I hope it’ll be obvious by the shipping Firefox 3 that we’ve put more effort into all the right places and done more work to take care of the most neglected areas. We’re already over two years of dedicated development making this release and I think we’ve covered all of the areas where we received feedback requesting/demanding improvement.

Thanks again for updating the post.

- A

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