Comments on: For The Love Of Unix http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/ Linux. GNU. Freedom. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:59:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4-alpha By: TuxFriend http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-109859 TuxFriend Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:23:46 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-109859 Yes, I see no one is recommending Ubuntu because of all the mean spirited people on these horribly documented wikis, tutorials, suggestions, and walkthroughs www.ubuntugeek.com/ www.ubuntu.com/ ubuntuforums.org/ www.howtoforge.com/ oh just google "ubuntu 8.10 solutions to common problems" (minus quotes) does my resorting to sarcasm make me a jerk? or was this original post sarcastic? or just FUD? and no one hates Windows. Windows helped pave the way to the modern PC. Most (all?) of us respect Windows contribution. Compared to a modern desktop linux distro it is like XP compared to DOS (but you pay a lot more) Will Windows hold out longer than DOS? 1981-2000 RIP DOS 1995 (XP) - ???? 5 more years, I wish you luck Yes, I see no one is recommending Ubuntu because of all the mean spirited people on these horribly documented wikis, tutorials, suggestions, and walkthroughs

http://www.ubuntugeek.com/
http://www.ubuntu.com/
ubuntuforums.org/
http://www.howtoforge.com/

oh just google “ubuntu 8.10 solutions to common problems” (minus quotes)

does my resorting to sarcasm make me a jerk?
or was this original post sarcastic? or just FUD?

and no one hates Windows. Windows helped pave the way to the modern PC. Most (all?) of us respect Windows contribution. Compared to a modern desktop linux distro it is like XP compared to DOS (but you pay a lot more)

Will Windows hold out longer than DOS?
1981-2000 RIP DOS
1995 (XP) – ???? 5 more years, I wish you luck

]]> By: Doug Rosbury http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-109858 Doug Rosbury Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:09:09 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-109858 I tried linux and went back to windows xp. XP is a known. It is logical to my way of thinking. Besides, I do not care for the linux , "nose-in-the-air-attitude" Windows xp serves me well enough for my needs. It's familiarity is good for what I need it for. Once I discovered how to configure my use of it, I was and am satisfied. I don't need the arrogant attitude of Linux supporters.---Doug I tried linux and went back to windows xp.
XP is a known. It is logical to my way of thinking. Besides, I do not care for the linux ,
“nose-in-the-air-attitude” Windows xp serves me well enough for my needs. It’s familiarity
is good for what I need it for. Once I discovered how to configure my use of it, I was
and am satisfied. I don’t need the arrogant attitude of Linux supporters.—Doug

]]> By: James350 http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-109437 James350 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:41:47 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-109437 It would be my S.W.A.G. that the majority of the Linux people dual boot with a Linux dis and a Microsoft O.S. Even those that like to rag on Microsoft products. To me it is like kicking a sick dog. We all know that free source is going to knock Microsoft off the pedestal, so why call them silly names? Besides Windows 7 is due out soon and wow, won't that be exciting? It would be my S.W.A.G. that the majority of the Linux people dual boot with a Linux dis and a Microsoft O.S.
Even those that like to rag on Microsoft products.
To me it is like kicking a sick dog. We all know that free source is going to knock Microsoft off the pedestal, so why call them silly names?
Besides Windows 7 is due out soon and wow, won’t that be exciting?

]]> By: Chiron613 http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-109173 Chiron613 Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:00:01 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-109173 Some of what you say is true. There are some elements in the Linux community who say things like, "if you don't like something, write your own version". And yes, some will say users should go back to Windows if they have problems. To be fair, though, many of those having problems say things like, "I can't figure this out, I'm going back to Windows", as though we'll be ashamed of ourselves and rush to the rescue. The newbie's attitude may be responsible for many of those comments. Beyond that, though, many Linux users are arrogant. They had to struggle very hard to learn their system, and think everyone should have to suffer. There are some Linux users who jeer at those using Ubuntu, claiming it's only for lazy, stupid people. Considering that Linus uses Ubuntu, I think that claim is ridiculous. Some people want their computers to "just work", without having to learn all the details of the kernel. Heck, they don't want to even know there's a kernel in there. And if they don't want to do this, they shouldn't have to bother. In my opinion, Linux is about choice, not doing things the hard way (unless that's what floats your boat). So yeah, some of us are arrogant elitists. But we are becoming increasingly more mainstream, as ordinary, non-technical people start to experiment with Ubuntu and other well-made distributions. As for the hatred of Microsoft - well, true, many of us do hate the company. It represents many of the things that are contrary to good hackers and decency. It has a history of producing shoddy software, of taking control of our computers for its own purposes, of unethical business practices, and so on. It is in direct opposition to the goals many Linux supporters have, of providing excellent software for anyone who cares to use it. Still, the name-calling and childish spellings like "Microsh*t" are uncalled for and do more harm than good to our image. Some of what you say is true. There are some elements in the Linux community who say things like, “if you don’t like something, write your own version”. And yes, some will say users should go back to Windows if they have problems.

To be fair, though, many of those having problems say things like, “I can’t figure this out, I’m going back to Windows”, as though we’ll be ashamed of ourselves and rush to the rescue. The newbie’s attitude may be responsible for many of those comments.

Beyond that, though, many Linux users are arrogant. They had to struggle very hard to learn their system, and think everyone should have to suffer. There are some Linux users who jeer at those using Ubuntu, claiming it’s only for lazy, stupid people. Considering that Linus uses Ubuntu, I think that claim is ridiculous. Some people want their computers to “just work”, without having to learn all the details of the kernel. Heck, they don’t want to even know there’s a kernel in there. And if they don’t want to do this, they shouldn’t have to bother. In my opinion, Linux is about choice, not doing things the hard way (unless that’s what floats your boat).

So yeah, some of us are arrogant elitists. But we are becoming increasingly more mainstream, as ordinary, non-technical people start to experiment with Ubuntu and other well-made distributions.

As for the hatred of Microsoft – well, true, many of us do hate the company. It represents many of the things that are contrary to good hackers and decency. It has a history of producing shoddy software, of taking control of our computers for its own purposes, of unethical business practices, and so on. It is in direct opposition to the goals many Linux supporters have, of providing excellent software for anyone who cares to use it. Still, the name-calling and childish spellings like “Microsh*t” are uncalled for and do more harm than good to our image.

]]> By: Thomas Gilling http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-107871 Thomas Gilling Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:08:34 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-107871 Yes this is very stupid that people would do such a thing like that. I mean Linux=Communism! What is that supposed to mean that WW3 will start because we used Linux. And then Linux users going in the future all our houses will be controlled by Microsoft! Yes this is very stupid that people would do such a thing like that. I mean Linux=Communism! What is that supposed to mean that WW3 will start because we used Linux. And then Linux users going in the future all our houses will be controlled by Microsoft!

]]> By: Tape Operator http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-106305 Tape Operator Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:30:10 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-106305 Wow. It's funny how many of the above posts illustrate your point for you. Wow. It’s funny how many of the above posts illustrate your point for you.

]]> By: carolinason http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-106151 carolinason Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:31:39 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-106151 I like a good subjective rant as well as good objective views. Let people be people. Windows is not a good operating system! Don't get confused. BSD... whatever! I use Linux because I like it, not because Windows and BSD users can be arrogant farts. I just don't like Windows or BSD, which I have used, so naturally I have the right to criticize it. I like a good subjective rant as well as good objective views.

Let people be people.

Windows is not a good operating system! Don’t get confused.

BSD… whatever!

I use Linux because I like it, not because Windows and BSD users can be arrogant farts. I just don’t like Windows or BSD, which I have used, so naturally I have the right to criticize it.

]]> By: LinuxUser http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-106103 LinuxUser Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:31:02 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-106103 BSD users use BSD because they hat linux BSD users use BSD because they hat linux

]]> By: Steve http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-106070 Steve Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:38:01 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-106070 Spot on! Spewing names may sound cute, but it drives the average person away. Spot on! Spewing names may sound cute, but it drives the average person away.

]]> By: Michael http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-105994 Michael Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:40:22 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-105994 The Linux Community would be a lot better off if there were somehow a massive checking of egos. But I don't see that happening in the foreseeable future. I think OSS is great, but somehow when it comes down to producing a viable OS it all seems to go to hell. There's far too much division and the go-it-alone attitude. Secondly nobody wants to do the hard coding. Everyone loves to add features yet nobody seems to want to make some of the key parts work. It's funny though. A decade ago, people complained that Linux was graphically unappealing and that the installation was horrible. That's fixed now, but really it's all just window dressing. Every year has always been "The year that linux breaks out big on the desktop" but guess what? It never will. Linux is free and is still not that popular. The reason why is simple, because it is simply too divided. The efforts of the community are effectively wasted due to the fact that what effort is put to bear, it is very poorly focused. I'd personally love to have linux be a viable alternative, but it's simply not there at the moment. The Linux Community would be a lot better off if there were somehow a massive checking of egos. But I don’t see that happening in the foreseeable future. I think OSS is great, but somehow when it comes down to producing a viable OS it all seems to go to hell.

There’s far too much division and the go-it-alone attitude. Secondly nobody wants to do the hard coding. Everyone loves to add features yet nobody seems to want to make some of the key parts work.

It’s funny though. A decade ago, people complained that Linux was graphically unappealing and that the installation was horrible. That’s fixed now, but really it’s all just window dressing.

Every year has always been “The year that linux breaks out big on the desktop” but guess what? It never will. Linux is free and is still not that popular. The reason why is simple, because it is simply too divided. The efforts of the community are effectively wasted due to the fact that what effort is put to bear, it is very poorly focused.

I’d personally love to have linux be a viable alternative, but it’s simply not there at the moment.

]]> By: Anonymous http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-105990 Anonymous Wed, 06 Aug 2008 04:26:37 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-105990 you are taking a part of the community, some random people so to speak, and present them as being the core of the philosophy the linux world has. what could possibly go wrong ah? also obvious noob is obvious, so i don't care about what you have to say, bye you are taking a part of the community, some random people so to speak, and present them as being the core of the philosophy the linux world has. what could possibly go wrong ah?

also obvious noob is obvious, so i don’t care about what you have to say, bye

]]> By: Jon http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-105985 Jon Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:08:52 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-105985 Save your time writing stupid stories about this, ignore the idiots, write good code and good free software. Let the kiddies talk how they want to talk, the core and soul of the linux community does no such thing, only people with too much time on their hands. Save your time writing stupid stories about this, ignore the idiots, write good code and good free software. Let the kiddies talk how they want to talk, the core and soul of the linux community does no such thing, only people with too much time on their hands.

]]> By: Anon E Moose http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-105965 Anon E Moose Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:57:14 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-105965 sourchier: So, that $299 Acer desktop I saw at Walmart last week would be free if it didn't have Windows on it? :P The rest of your comment only plays to the central theme of this blog post. I wish I could read about Linux without having to see some jacktard like you posting propaganda, fud, and stupidity. Aaron: I agree with you completely. I muck with Linux because I want to learn about it, and I like to keep a finger on its pulse to see how it is coming along on the desktop. Unfortunately I have yet to find a distribution that I can unreservedly use for work, due to issues with the one app that is central and vital to my job not working worth a damn on any variety of *nix (even though it has a native Linux version.) I find my eye drifting over to the BSD world, however, because I just cannot stand the bottom x% of the FOSS community who have the mentality of prepubescent boys playing King of the Castle. sourchier: So, that $299 Acer desktop I saw at Walmart last week would be free if it didn’t have Windows on it? :P

The rest of your comment only plays to the central theme of this blog post.

I wish I could read about Linux without having to see some jacktard like you posting propaganda, fud, and stupidity.

Aaron: I agree with you completely. I muck with Linux because I want to learn about it, and I like to keep a finger on its pulse to see how it is coming along on the desktop. Unfortunately I have yet to find a distribution that I can unreservedly use for work, due to issues with the one app that is central and vital to my job not working worth a damn on any variety of *nix (even though it has a native Linux version.)

I find my eye drifting over to the BSD world, however, because I just cannot stand the bottom x% of the FOSS community who have the mentality of prepubescent boys playing King of the Castle.

]]> By: stahu http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-105954 stahu Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:03:59 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-105954 Wow it's amazing to see linux users that thing exatly the same as me :) A love linux but i don't hate windows. In fact Windows 2000, XP and Vista are good systems - maybe not as good as linux ;) And i don't hate microsoft. I use xbox 360 and i simply love this console. Wow it’s amazing to see linux users that thing exatly the same as me :)
A love linux but i don’t hate windows. In fact Windows 2000, XP and Vista are good systems – maybe not as good as linux ;)
And i don’t hate microsoft. I use xbox 360 and i simply love this console.

]]> By: Jonathan Carter http://pthree.org/2008/07/31/for-the-love-of-unix/#comment-105687 Jonathan Carter Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:37:41 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=641#comment-105687 I don't agree with you, the type of people who say things like M$ and Microshaft are a loudmouth minority. You'll probably find that all of them are Windows users as well. A true free software advocate won't use those terms. I don’t agree with you, the type of people who say things like M$ and Microshaft are a loudmouth minority. You’ll probably find that all of them are Windows users as well.

A true free software advocate won’t use those terms.

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