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		<title>By: factotum218</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-110762</link>
		<dc:creator>factotum218</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If word processing, email, chat, and remote access is all you need for a work environment you have quite a bit to learn.

A basic Linux system, workstation as some call it, is fantastic. Start dabbling into more specialty nor niche tasks and shits the bed.

If only more attention and manpower could be focused on the applications themselves instead of the hype campaigns of new distribution &quot;features&quot; and reinvention of half-baked wheels every couple years.

I&#039;ve been a Linux admin for almost a decade all the while giving it a go on the desktop once in a while. To be honest I feel like I&#039;ve been coming back to the same desktop over and over again for the last 8 years. It&#039;s almost as if Adobe was in charge. Why run Photoshop CS4 when 4 or 5 does just as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If word processing, email, chat, and remote access is all you need for a work environment you have quite a bit to learn.</p>
<p>A basic Linux system, workstation as some call it, is fantastic. Start dabbling into more specialty nor niche tasks and shits the bed.</p>
<p>If only more attention and manpower could be focused on the applications themselves instead of the hype campaigns of new distribution &#8220;features&#8221; and reinvention of half-baked wheels every couple years.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a Linux admin for almost a decade all the while giving it a go on the desktop once in a while. To be honest I feel like I&#8217;ve been coming back to the same desktop over and over again for the last 8 years. It&#8217;s almost as if Adobe was in charge. Why run Photoshop CS4 when 4 or 5 does just as well.</p>
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		<title>By: joam</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-109996</link>
		<dc:creator>joam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 23:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>linux sucky sucks sux0rs</description>
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		<title>By: L2UseWindows[censored]</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-109965</link>
		<dc:creator>L2UseWindows[censored]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. O M F G!. You should really research WELL before you post your misguided comments on the internet. Then leave a comments section on it to. Lets point out your fails. Since you state in your comparison that his is a corporate environment lets roll on how the real IT boys do it. 

[The rest of this comment has been removed due to the choice language chosen by this intellectual individual. I kept adding &quot;[censored]&quot; tags, but when I passed 20 of them, I realized that the comment just didn&#039;t make much sense anymore, and probably was best to just remove it. If you want to keep comments open here, let&#039;s try something novel and new: keep the language intellectual and semi-smart, so I can at least take you seriously. If you want respect, then act like it. Your fanboi comments aren&#039;t getting you anywhere, and belittling me or using foul language will just get your comment removed. So, let&#039;s try again, shall we?] -- The administrator</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. O M F G!. You should really research WELL before you post your misguided comments on the internet. Then leave a comments section on it to. Lets point out your fails. Since you state in your comparison that his is a corporate environment lets roll on how the real IT boys do it. </p>
<p>[The rest of this comment has been removed due to the choice language chosen by this intellectual individual. I kept adding "[censored]&#8221; tags, but when I passed 20 of them, I realized that the comment just didn&#8217;t make much sense anymore, and probably was best to just remove it. If you want to keep comments open here, let&#8217;s try something novel and new: keep the language intellectual and semi-smart, so I can at least take you seriously. If you want respect, then act like it. Your fanboi comments aren&#8217;t getting you anywhere, and belittling me or using foul language will just get your comment removed. So, let&#8217;s try again, shall we?] &#8212; The administrator</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-108067</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, your arguments are laughable.

Installation
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Questions for you: 
How many percent of the worlds population who uses Internet have access to a 100Mbit/s network? 
Where can one find the &quot;easy&quot; command &quot;ufw&quot;? In some manual prolly, right?

&quot;Kickstart, Pressed and the hybrid Kickseed&quot;.. WTF!? Unstable*, unstable, unstable. Not even a feature, more like a bug.

Security
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Xp - No firewall software!? WTF? Yes there is, and if you don´t like it, install another. [..]listening on all interfaces.. - Modified truth. They do not listen on all interfaces by default, some do and they can easily be shut off. &quot;After installing these machines, I need them ready for the corporate environment&quot;??! Who says, maybe you are a 13-year old Colombian girl (probably so). Stop using your own scenario as default! Your whole argument is based upon a sysadmin/developer/IT-technician perspective. Like always with Linux you disregard the NORMAL users and that´s why you are loosing the battle.

Remote administration
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Once again you selected something YOU need. You already use Linux so what is exactly your point? If you are aiming to be taken seriously, maybe you should try to explain how a normal user with no programming/administrator-experience can set up and use Linux successfully. That´s my challenge for you!

&quot;both for the user and the administrator&quot;.. nope.. you have proven nothing about the USER, like always. What you have said is that if you are you, Linux is better. But you see, the rest of the world is not you. The main issue with Linux people is that they think everyone has the same experience as they do and that is the only thing you have proven with this post. Step out of your &quot;Itworksforme&quot;-box for once for christs sake... 

* https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-kickstart/+bug/15156</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, your arguments are laughable.</p>
<p>Installation<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Questions for you:<br />
How many percent of the worlds population who uses Internet have access to a 100Mbit/s network?<br />
Where can one find the &#8220;easy&#8221; command &#8220;ufw&#8221;? In some manual prolly, right?</p>
<p>&#8220;Kickstart, Pressed and the hybrid Kickseed&#8221;.. WTF!? Unstable*, unstable, unstable. Not even a feature, more like a bug.</p>
<p>Security<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Xp &#8211; No firewall software!? WTF? Yes there is, and if you don´t like it, install another. [..]listening on all interfaces.. &#8211; Modified truth. They do not listen on all interfaces by default, some do and they can easily be shut off. &#8220;After installing these machines, I need them ready for the corporate environment&#8221;??! Who says, maybe you are a 13-year old Colombian girl (probably so). Stop using your own scenario as default! Your whole argument is based upon a sysadmin/developer/IT-technician perspective. Like always with Linux you disregard the NORMAL users and that´s why you are loosing the battle.</p>
<p>Remote administration<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Once again you selected something YOU need. You already use Linux so what is exactly your point? If you are aiming to be taken seriously, maybe you should try to explain how a normal user with no programming/administrator-experience can set up and use Linux successfully. That´s my challenge for you!</p>
<p>&#8220;both for the user and the administrator&#8221;.. nope.. you have proven nothing about the USER, like always. What you have said is that if you are you, Linux is better. But you see, the rest of the world is not you. The main issue with Linux people is that they think everyone has the same experience as they do and that is the only thing you have proven with this post. Step out of your &#8220;Itworksforme&#8221;-box for once for christs sake&#8230; </p>
<p>* <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-kickstart/+bug/15156" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-kickstart/+bug/15156</a></p>
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		<title>By: farmboy</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-107361</link>
		<dc:creator>farmboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didn&#039;t know there was Ubuntu not until i was surfing in dell 3 days ago and they have computers with Ubuntu.

i just recently installed Ubuntu on my desktop inside my bundled XP home.

XP home is my base OS but Ubuntu rocks!

with Ubuntu 8.04 almost all of the program needed by an average user is installed with it at no cost! plus i don&#039;t get to worry about virus!

i am still learning Ubuntu&#039;s environment.

Ubuntu is the best choice for home computing! Ubuntu you&#039;re great!!!

but i read a very a comment above regarding installation, yeah why installation in Ubuntu is complicated? like go to terminal type this and that. is there a way to simplify that part?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didn&#8217;t know there was Ubuntu not until i was surfing in dell 3 days ago and they have computers with Ubuntu.</p>
<p>i just recently installed Ubuntu on my desktop inside my bundled XP home.</p>
<p>XP home is my base OS but Ubuntu rocks!</p>
<p>with Ubuntu 8.04 almost all of the program needed by an average user is installed with it at no cost! plus i don&#8217;t get to worry about virus!</p>
<p>i am still learning Ubuntu&#8217;s environment.</p>
<p>Ubuntu is the best choice for home computing! Ubuntu you&#8217;re great!!!</p>
<p>but i read a very a comment above regarding installation, yeah why installation in Ubuntu is complicated? like go to terminal type this and that. is there a way to simplify that part?</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106488</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should let your software detect Mac OS x86, which is what I&#039;m using.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should let your software detect Mac OS x86, which is what I&#8217;m using.</p>
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		<title>By: luky</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106349</link>
		<dc:creator>luky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it worth it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it worth it?</p>
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		<title>By: Try again</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106336</link>
		<dc:creator>Try again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Second, I have much better things to do with my time, then bicker back and forth about why one is better than the other and vice versa.&quot;

Hmm...this seems to contradict the point of your original post.  Please prove to me how Linux will be the ultimate benefactor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Second, I have much better things to do with my time, then bicker back and forth about why one is better than the other and vice versa.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230;this seems to contradict the point of your original post.  Please prove to me how Linux will be the ultimate benefactor.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106326</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations, you made a fool of yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations, you made a fool of yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: machpizza</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106320</link>
		<dc:creator>machpizza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to see you come around, Aaron. You used to be so against LHB!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to see you come around, Aaron. You used to be so against LHB!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106313</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bobert- No, I won&#039;t be continuing this discussion further.  The response issued by LHB is good.  Solid arguments, and well executed.  Further, LHB also proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, many of my arguments through the response.  So, while you see &quot;epic FAIL&quot;, I see success.  However, at any event, I won&#039;t be responding in kind.  First, I&#039;m really not interested in a &quot;Bible Bash&quot;, so to speak.  Flame wars are annoying, and immature.  Second, I have much better things to do with my time, then bicker back and forth about why one is better than the other and vice versa.  As it stands, I will continue to keep LHB in my feed reader, as it provides valuable insight into Linux desktop usability (through other posts and various planets that is).  This sort of criticism will make the Linux desktop stronger, so bad press, or good press, is still press, and Linux will be the ultimate benefactor.

So, LHB, keep &#039;em coming.

Over and out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bobert- No, I won&#8217;t be continuing this discussion further.  The response issued by LHB is good.  Solid arguments, and well executed.  Further, LHB also proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, many of my arguments through the response.  So, while you see &#8220;epic FAIL&#8221;, I see success.  However, at any event, I won&#8217;t be responding in kind.  First, I&#8217;m really not interested in a &#8220;Bible Bash&#8221;, so to speak.  Flame wars are annoying, and immature.  Second, I have much better things to do with my time, then bicker back and forth about why one is better than the other and vice versa.  As it stands, I will continue to keep LHB in my feed reader, as it provides valuable insight into Linux desktop usability (through other posts and various planets that is).  This sort of criticism will make the Linux desktop stronger, so bad press, or good press, is still press, and Linux will be the ultimate benefactor.</p>
<p>So, LHB, keep &#8216;em coming.</p>
<p>Over and out.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobert</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106312</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Aaron

//I issued a challenge, and I want to see a response.//

Ok, so it&#039;s been 4 or 5 days now. Are you going to reply to LH&#039;s response to your challenge or what?  

I can understand if you&#039;re embarrassed about your epic FAIL, but at least some sort of acknowledgment would be nice for those of us who have been following the comments here and at LHB.

By not acknowledging LH&#039;s response, you&#039;re only making your cause look worse. After all, YOU are the one who issued the challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aaron</p>
<p>//I issued a challenge, and I want to see a response.//</p>
<p>Ok, so it&#8217;s been 4 or 5 days now. Are you going to reply to LH&#8217;s response to your challenge or what?  </p>
<p>I can understand if you&#8217;re embarrassed about your epic FAIL, but at least some sort of acknowledgment would be nice for those of us who have been following the comments here and at LHB.</p>
<p>By not acknowledging LH&#8217;s response, you&#8217;re only making your cause look worse. After all, YOU are the one who issued the challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106280</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the biggest issue with Linux promoters (I admit I&#039;m one of them) is, that most of them carry arguments, which 99% of the users just don&#039;t care. Sometimes it sounds like a commie speech...THAT is the reason why Linux sucks on the desktop. On the server, Linux is already king because the user base is totally different from the desktop user base. That said, as long as the developers don&#039;t code for the mass, but still for themselves and their likes, Linux will fail on the desktop for sure. Another mistake is the release current cycle. Distributors adopted the Microsoft approach, which is fine if you intend to sell software, but is certainly wrong if you distribute it for free. The distributors job would be testing new application releases and system improvements and release it by the time. No package-cycle is necessary for that. Radical changes can be tested in a test branch and integrated afterwards into the stable branch. Today, you create a dev-branch put in all the kinky stuff and polish it upon you think it&#039;s stable. The difference is the way it gets stable, today you take the unstable thing and make it stable, what&#039;s needed is, that you just improve and extend the stable branch with new things. That&#039;s a totally different world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the biggest issue with Linux promoters (I admit I&#8217;m one of them) is, that most of them carry arguments, which 99% of the users just don&#8217;t care. Sometimes it sounds like a commie speech&#8230;THAT is the reason why Linux sucks on the desktop. On the server, Linux is already king because the user base is totally different from the desktop user base. That said, as long as the developers don&#8217;t code for the mass, but still for themselves and their likes, Linux will fail on the desktop for sure. Another mistake is the release current cycle. Distributors adopted the Microsoft approach, which is fine if you intend to sell software, but is certainly wrong if you distribute it for free. The distributors job would be testing new application releases and system improvements and release it by the time. No package-cycle is necessary for that. Radical changes can be tested in a test branch and integrated afterwards into the stable branch. Today, you create a dev-branch put in all the kinky stuff and polish it upon you think it&#8217;s stable. The difference is the way it gets stable, today you take the unstable thing and make it stable, what&#8217;s needed is, that you just improve and extend the stable branch with new things. That&#8217;s a totally different world.</p>
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		<title>By: vi</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106277</link>
		<dc:creator>vi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you say productivity software... What about a decent native Linux text editor at the level of PSPad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you say productivity software&#8230; What about a decent native Linux text editor at the level of PSPad?</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106274</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately you made a complete fool out of yourself. Your complete lack of knowledge about windows makes your whole comparison worthless. The question remains tho, where do you get all those wrong impressions from? Maybe you have listened to  the wrong FUD for too long?. Go check reality without mixing up technology and idealism and retrofitting your findings to your weltbild. Thanks.

BTW: There are a lot of *unix lovers* like you out there and they are the worst thing for unix ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately you made a complete fool out of yourself. Your complete lack of knowledge about windows makes your whole comparison worthless. The question remains tho, where do you get all those wrong impressions from? Maybe you have listened to  the wrong FUD for too long?. Go check reality without mixing up technology and idealism and retrofitting your findings to your weltbild. Thanks.</p>
<p>BTW: There are a lot of *unix lovers* like you out there and they are the worst thing for unix ever.</p>
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