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	<title>Comments on: I Don&#8217;t Do Proprietary And I Don&#8217;t Tweet- I Dent</title>
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		<title>By: Edward Andrew Robinson &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tweet Flow</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109633</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Andrew Robinson &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tweet Flow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] all the posts on planet ubuntu lately about twitter it got me thinking about my micro-blogging habits and how I update my online status in general. I [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Chris Jones</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109432</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A) argument by analogy is like a leaky screwdriver. 
B) esr is an awful example. He does not promote free software and has said recently that we should take a mixed stance to pull in the iPod generation. Use rms for this kind of argument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A) argument by analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.<br />
B) esr is an awful example. He does not promote free software and has said recently that we should take a mixed stance to pull in the iPod generation. Use rms for this kind of argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109411</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see how this is inconsistent. Consider the following analogy:

How do you choose a restaurant? A &quot;proprietary&quot; restaurant would be a restaurant who won&#039;t give me the recipe for the food I&#039;m eating. An &quot;open source&quot; restaurant would. Which would you rather eat at? The restaurant that tells you what you&#039;re eating, or the one with the secret ingredient? 

Now, how about eating at home? If I&#039;m to prepare my own food at home, I should have the right to the recipe for the meal, and prepare it as I wish. I can still choose the &quot;proprietary&quot; pre-made foods, such as frozen foods, or those from the deli, or I can get the &quot;source code&quot; recipe, and make my own.

So, to me, it&#039;s not inconsistent at all. A service is a restaurant I choose to eat at, while software is eating my own meal at home.

Now, again I ask: which would you rather eat at, when an option exists? Joe Brown steakhouse which does NOT tell you the recipe to the food you&#039;re eating, or Sally Smith steak house that does?

That&#039;s all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how this is inconsistent. Consider the following analogy:</p>
<p>How do you choose a restaurant? A &#8220;proprietary&#8221; restaurant would be a restaurant who won&#8217;t give me the recipe for the food I&#8217;m eating. An &#8220;open source&#8221; restaurant would. Which would you rather eat at? The restaurant that tells you what you&#8217;re eating, or the one with the secret ingredient? </p>
<p>Now, how about eating at home? If I&#8217;m to prepare my own food at home, I should have the right to the recipe for the meal, and prepare it as I wish. I can still choose the &#8220;proprietary&#8221; pre-made foods, such as frozen foods, or those from the deli, or I can get the &#8220;source code&#8221; recipe, and make my own.</p>
<p>So, to me, it&#8217;s not inconsistent at all. A service is a restaurant I choose to eat at, while software is eating my own meal at home.</p>
<p>Now, again I ask: which would you rather eat at, when an option exists? Joe Brown steakhouse which does NOT tell you the recipe to the food you&#8217;re eating, or Sally Smith steak house that does?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jono Bacon</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109405</link>
		<dc:creator>Jono Bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is the philosophy different? That seems inconsistent to me.

Your blog post was titled &quot;I Don’t Do Proprietary And I Don’t Tweet- I Dent&quot; - this clearly states that you consider Twitter a proprietary service, as such it seems reason that you consider closed source websites with closed data also proprietary. Whether there is a free alternative or not has nothing to do with it: it still means those apps are proprietary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is the philosophy different? That seems inconsistent to me.</p>
<p>Your blog post was titled &#8220;I Don’t Do Proprietary And I Don’t Tweet- I Dent&#8221; &#8211; this clearly states that you consider Twitter a proprietary service, as such it seems reason that you consider closed source websites with closed data also proprietary. Whether there is a free alternative or not has nothing to do with it: it still means those apps are proprietary.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfger</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109401</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Freedom means being able to choose. What you, ESR, RMS, and most of the FSF fail to understand is that means I need to be free to choose a proprietary solution as well as an open one. Saying &quot;Identica is Free, therefore we must all shun Twitter&quot; is the equivalent of putting nice shiny manacles on. I use both, and will continue to use both until such time as everybody I care about following switches to Identica.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom means being able to choose. What you, ESR, RMS, and most of the FSF fail to understand is that means I need to be free to choose a proprietary solution as well as an open one. Saying &#8220;Identica is Free, therefore we must all shun Twitter&#8221; is the equivalent of putting nice shiny manacles on. I use both, and will continue to use both until such time as everybody I care about following switches to Identica.</p>
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		<title>By: Igor</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109398</link>
		<dc:creator>Igor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hehe, OK :) np]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehe, OK <img src='http://pthree.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  np</p>
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		<title>By: Jef Spaleta</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109378</link>
		<dc:creator>Jef Spaleta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aaron,
  If the openness of services matters to you, do you plan to lobby companies to build open services?   Or are you content with waiting until another company feels comfortable with running an open service?

Do we have any examples of groundbreaking, webservices that started out as open services where there is no dominant competitor in that service space yet?  That&#039;s the watershed moment as open development advocates that we need to try to reach and then hold up for others to follow.
identi.ca isn&#039;t that.

Ninjam for collaborative real-time music performance might be that sort of watershed service.

http://www.masternewmedia.org/music_collaboration/music_jamming/online_music_collaboration_software_20050715.htm

http://www.ninjam.com/download.php

I have a sneaky suspicion that a certain Mr. Bacon might find that sort of open collaborative service that ninjam is trying to provide to be the sort of thing he would be drawn to and could personally champion. 

-jef]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron,<br />
  If the openness of services matters to you, do you plan to lobby companies to build open services?   Or are you content with waiting until another company feels comfortable with running an open service?</p>
<p>Do we have any examples of groundbreaking, webservices that started out as open services where there is no dominant competitor in that service space yet?  That&#8217;s the watershed moment as open development advocates that we need to try to reach and then hold up for others to follow.<br />
identi.ca isn&#8217;t that.</p>
<p>Ninjam for collaborative real-time music performance might be that sort of watershed service.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.masternewmedia.org/music_collaboration/music_jamming/online_music_collaboration_software_20050715.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.masternewmedia.org/music_collaboration/music_jamming/online_music_collaboration_software_20050715.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ninjam.com/download.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ninjam.com/download.php</a></p>
<p>I have a sneaky suspicion that a certain Mr. Bacon might find that sort of open collaborative service that ninjam is trying to provide to be the sort of thing he would be drawn to and could personally champion. </p>
<p>-jef</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109377</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, software as a service falls under a different category than installed software on your computer. I recognize that. If you don&#039;t subscribe to a service, because it&#039;s not Free, then you better not eat out at restaurants, shop at the grocery store, go to the movies or even go to work. All these services have intellectual property that keeps them competitive. They provide the service to keep the cash flow inbound, but don&#039;t release their secrets as Free to the world. I recognize this, and don&#039;t have a problem with services.

However, surely when there is a Free service that arrives, it is superior to their proprietary cousins, and the better choice?

Lastly, I agree with the point of your post. I wasn&#039;t picking on you, as much as extending your argument: those who chose proprietary software are choosing to enslave themselves in their manacles. I made that clear with the quote from ESR.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, software as a service falls under a different category than installed software on your computer. I recognize that. If you don&#8217;t subscribe to a service, because it&#8217;s not Free, then you better not eat out at restaurants, shop at the grocery store, go to the movies or even go to work. All these services have intellectual property that keeps them competitive. They provide the service to keep the cash flow inbound, but don&#8217;t release their secrets as Free to the world. I recognize this, and don&#8217;t have a problem with services.</p>
<p>However, surely when there is a Free service that arrives, it is superior to their proprietary cousins, and the better choice?</p>
<p>Lastly, I agree with the point of your post. I wasn&#8217;t picking on you, as much as extending your argument: those who chose proprietary software are choosing to enslave themselves in their manacles. I made that clear with the quote from ESR.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109376</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t blame my user agent string detector plugin, blame Google Chrome. Their useragent string is reporting Safari on Mac.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t blame my user agent string detector plugin, blame Google Chrome. Their useragent string is reporting Safari on Mac.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109375</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Understood. That&#039;s why I&#039;m trying to get my Twitter account restored, so I can at least interact with those who matter to me. But maybe I shouldn&#039;t, and leave it to email and cell phones in that case. I don&#039;t know. It&#039;s a hard decision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understood. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m trying to get my Twitter account restored, so I can at least interact with those who matter to me. But maybe I shouldn&#8217;t, and leave it to email and cell phones in that case. I don&#8217;t know. It&#8217;s a hard decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109374</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See reply above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See reply above.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109373</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Software as a service (Google, Launchpad, Ubuntu wiki, etc) for me falls under a different philosophy than installed software on my machine. However, with that said, when software as a service becomes Free Software, it takes precedence. As such, Identi.ca &gt; Twitter. I know of no Free alternatives to Last.fm or Facebook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Software as a service (Google, Launchpad, Ubuntu wiki, etc) for me falls under a different philosophy than installed software on my machine. However, with that said, when software as a service becomes Free Software, it takes precedence. As such, Identi.ca > Twitter. I know of no Free alternatives to Last.fm or Facebook.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109371</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[100% agreed with Aaron !
I&#039;m going to delete my twitter account to switch to identi.ca.
But sometimes, we have no choice.
(PS:  Sorry, I&#039;m on windows =(  )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100% agreed with Aaron !<br />
I&#8217;m going to delete my twitter account to switch to identi.ca.<br />
But sometimes, we have no choice.<br />
(PS:  Sorry, I&#8217;m on windows =(  )</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109368</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aaron,

I appreciate what you&#039;re saying here. However your last post, as has been noted, was all about using proprietary services. 

The point of my post is that F/OSS is the best choice when it does what you need and want it to do. However there are cases where arguments can be made to use proprietary. Your argument was to compromise for those in your circle that will not embrace the Free services you prefer.

In the case of identi.ca you can do something interesting. You can live your freedom and reach out to your friends in the shackles. Follow your subscribed people via your RSS reader. As your friends become more enlightened, your RSS reader gets less of a workout.

My post was wondering why those who embrace Freedom chose the shackles when an option at least equal to their needs is there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron,</p>
<p>I appreciate what you&#8217;re saying here. However your last post, as has been noted, was all about using proprietary services. </p>
<p>The point of my post is that F/OSS is the best choice when it does what you need and want it to do. However there are cases where arguments can be made to use proprietary. Your argument was to compromise for those in your circle that will not embrace the Free services you prefer.</p>
<p>In the case of identi.ca you can do something interesting. You can live your freedom and reach out to your friends in the shackles. Follow your subscribed people via your RSS reader. As your friends become more enlightened, your RSS reader gets less of a workout.</p>
<p>My post was wondering why those who embrace Freedom chose the shackles when an option at least equal to their needs is there.</p>
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		<title>By: nnonix</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/01/13/i-dont-do-proprietary-and-i-dont-tweet-i-dent/#comment-109367</link>
		<dc:creator>nnonix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aaron,
With a hard-line position like that you could actually go through life using several pieces of open software and never realize that they suck.

Now the above statement may not be legitimate in a conversation about twitter vs identi.ca but the point still stands. If you never use proprietary software, you&#039;ll never know what your missing (if anything).

For me, this is the difference between being &quot;pro open-source&quot; and &quot;anti-proprietary software&quot;. The best quality software gets my vote and if that software happens to be proprietary I use it without guilt until there is a suitable/comparable open alternative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron,<br />
With a hard-line position like that you could actually go through life using several pieces of open software and never realize that they suck.</p>
<p>Now the above statement may not be legitimate in a conversation about twitter vs identi.ca but the point still stands. If you never use proprietary software, you&#8217;ll never know what your missing (if anything).</p>
<p>For me, this is the difference between being &#8220;pro open-source&#8221; and &#8220;anti-proprietary software&#8221;. The best quality software gets my vote and if that software happens to be proprietary I use it without guilt until there is a suitable/comparable open alternative.</p>
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