Comments on: Mono And RHEL http://pthree.org/2009/04/20/mono-and-rhel/ Linux. GNU. Freedom. Wed, 16 May 2012 07:36:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4-beta2-20489 By: Jo Shields http://pthree.org/2009/04/20/mono-and-rhel/#comment-109940 Jo Shields Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:35:39 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1040#comment-109940 "Jason" here has been copy-pasting the exact same spiel anywhere he thinks it'll get eyeballs. He doesn't stick around anywhere long enough to explain his meaning (i.e. leaving a flaming bag on the doorstep), so we can only assume. Let's assume "Mono’s Windows compatibility stack" refers to the System.Windows.Forms namespace (I can't imagine what else he could mean). He's either misinformed, or deliberately lying. Here's the full list of assemblies used by Tomboy: directhex@desire:~$ monodis --assemblyref /usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe | grep Name Name=mscorlib Name=Mono.Posix Name=gtk-sharp Name=gnome-panel-sharp Name=glib-sharp Name=gdk-sharp Name=System.Xml Name=Mono.Addins Name=System Name=pango-sharp Name=Mono.Addins.Gui Name=Mono.Addins.Setup Name=gnome-sharp Name=gconf-sharp Name=gconf-sharp-peditors Name=NDesk.DBus Name=NDesk.DBus.GLib Now, of those, which of them are not CLEARLY Free Software, Mono-specific (but cross-platform) libraries designed to leverage Free Software technologies? These ones: Name=mscorlib Name=System.Xml Name=System I doubt anyone expecting to be taken seriously would claim that things like GConf or GTK are part of a "Windows compatibility stack". Now, what of these three here? especially the scary-looking "ms" in "mscorlib"? Well, take a trundle over to the ECMA-335 spec, available here: http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma-335.pdf - and jump down to Partition IV section 5, "The standard libraries". Page 473, if it helps. This makes you aware that there are a number of core libraries in the international ISO/ECMA standard. The "BCL" library in section 5? THAT's our "Name=mscorlib". The "XML" library? Well, that's "Name=System.Xml". "Network" library? "Name=System". So, in short: can anyone explain what the hell "Jason" is suggesting? because if he's suggesting there's anything which isn't either an ISO spec (i.e. the way C90 is an ISO spec) or ground-up Free (like DBus or Pango or whatever) then as you can see, he's wrong. “Jason” here has been copy-pasting the exact same spiel anywhere he thinks it’ll get eyeballs. He doesn’t stick around anywhere long enough to explain his meaning (i.e. leaving a flaming bag on the doorstep), so we can only assume.

Let’s assume “Mono’s Windows compatibility stack” refers to the System.Windows.Forms namespace (I can’t imagine what else he could mean). He’s either misinformed, or deliberately lying. Here’s the full list of assemblies used by Tomboy:
directhex@desire:~$ monodis –assemblyref /usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe | grep Name
Name=mscorlib
Name=Mono.Posix
Name=gtk-sharp
Name=gnome-panel-sharp
Name=glib-sharp
Name=gdk-sharp
Name=System.Xml
Name=Mono.Addins
Name=System
Name=pango-sharp
Name=Mono.Addins.Gui
Name=Mono.Addins.Setup
Name=gnome-sharp
Name=gconf-sharp
Name=gconf-sharp-peditors
Name=NDesk.DBus
Name=NDesk.DBus.GLib

Now, of those, which of them are not CLEARLY Free Software, Mono-specific (but cross-platform) libraries designed to leverage Free Software technologies? These ones:
Name=mscorlib
Name=System.Xml
Name=System

I doubt anyone expecting to be taken seriously would claim that things like GConf or GTK are part of a “Windows compatibility stack”. Now, what of these three here? especially the scary-looking “ms” in “mscorlib”?

Well, take a trundle over to the ECMA-335 spec, available here: http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma-335.pdf – and jump down to Partition IV section 5, “The standard libraries”. Page 473, if it helps. This makes you aware that there are a number of core libraries in the international ISO/ECMA standard. The “BCL” library in section 5? THAT’s our “Name=mscorlib”. The “XML” library? Well, that’s “Name=System.Xml”. “Network” library? “Name=System”.

So, in short: can anyone explain what the hell “Jason” is suggesting? because if he’s suggesting there’s anything which isn’t either an ISO spec (i.e. the way C90 is an ISO spec) or ground-up Free (like DBus or Pango or whatever) then as you can see, he’s wrong.

]]> By: Paul Kishimoto http://pthree.org/2009/04/20/mono-and-rhel/#comment-109939 Paul Kishimoto Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:50:45 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1040#comment-109939 (via Planet Ubuntu) Good point about RHEL, I completely missed that. I find there are funny echoes of "You're hurting America!" in "It is harmful for the community" ...and it has long been evident how weak the former statement is as an argument. "The Iraq war will turn out badly? Don't say that, you're helping the terrorists and hurting America!" (via Planet Ubuntu) Good point about RHEL, I completely missed that.

I find there are funny echoes of “You’re hurting America!” in “It is harmful for the community” …and it has long been evident how weak the former statement is as an argument. “The Iraq war will turn out badly? Don’t say that, you’re helping the terrorists and hurting America!”

]]> By: Tom http://pthree.org/2009/04/20/mono-and-rhel/#comment-109938 Tom Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:32:32 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1040#comment-109938 I agree, behaving like a closed source vendor is not helpful at all. I agree, behaving like a closed source vendor is not helpful at all.

]]> By: Igor http://pthree.org/2009/04/20/mono-and-rhel/#comment-109937 Igor Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:28:58 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1040#comment-109937 The people who use RHEL will use a real life notepad to take notes anyways... The people who use RHEL will use a real life notepad to take notes anyways…

]]> By: Jason http://pthree.org/2009/04/20/mono-and-rhel/#comment-109936 Jason Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:25:57 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1040#comment-109936 Fully agree ... choice and availability is what the Ubuntu philosophy is all about. Microsoft has only granted immunity to Novell users/clients, and Mono's GPL does not cover Mono’s Windows compatibility stack - of which TomBoy uses extensively. There is a lot to be wary of from MS when using Mono’s Windows compatibility stack, and IMHO thus lots to be wary of from TomBoy. Fully agree … choice and availability is what the Ubuntu philosophy is all about.
Microsoft has only granted immunity to Novell users/clients, and Mono’s GPL does not cover Mono’s Windows compatibility stack – of which TomBoy uses extensively. There is a lot to be wary of from MS when using Mono’s Windows compatibility stack, and IMHO thus lots to be wary of from TomBoy.

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