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		<title>By: singleuser</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-110807</link>
		<dc:creator>singleuser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 04:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved to see the browsers and operating systems of all commenters. ^^</description>
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		<title>By: zazuge</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-110548</link>
		<dc:creator>zazuge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah I forget to remind you people
about how richard stallman acted when he faced the problem of closed sources printer drives in MIT
if RMS chose easiness over his principles would we have a FreeSoftware movement ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah I forget to remind you people<br />
about how richard stallman acted when he faced the problem of closed sources printer drives in MIT<br />
if RMS chose easiness over his principles would we have a FreeSoftware movement ?</p>
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		<title>By: zazuge</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-110547</link>
		<dc:creator>zazuge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to go legitimate piracy is a problem by itself 
i&#039;m not pretending that &#039;im an angel who didn&#039;t pirate or used pirated products 
but part of human enlightment and personal maturing is to try to change and to repent from your sins 
so if your advocating tobaco and justifing smoking for yourself you&#039;ll never try to stop smoking
yeah it&#039;s hard to stop piracy bu i must aknowledge that i&#039;m doing wrong and i have to try to find alternatives or abstain.

i&#039;ll give an example why piracy and effortlessness do to harm creativity and community work in my country
here in Algeria 100% of pc use pirated MS products and people have never heard  nor used opensource softwares 
when i try to predicate about FOSS they give me those replies:
1) it&#039;s hard to use 
2) i have to relearn and i&#039;m lazy
3) why bother
4) i don&#039;t understand those principles 
5) our county don&#039;t belong to the OMS 
6) there&#039;s no law about software copyright

when people find easy access to something they won&#039;t bother to find let alone create and invent alternatives 
when people don&#039;t believe their actions or personality are wrong they won&#039;t try to change</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to go legitimate piracy is a problem by itself<br />
i&#8217;m not pretending that &#8216;im an angel who didn&#8217;t pirate or used pirated products<br />
but part of human enlightment and personal maturing is to try to change and to repent from your sins<br />
so if your advocating tobaco and justifing smoking for yourself you&#8217;ll never try to stop smoking<br />
yeah it&#8217;s hard to stop piracy bu i must aknowledge that i&#8217;m doing wrong and i have to try to find alternatives or abstain.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ll give an example why piracy and effortlessness do to harm creativity and community work in my country<br />
here in Algeria 100% of pc use pirated MS products and people have never heard  nor used opensource softwares<br />
when i try to predicate about FOSS they give me those replies:<br />
1) it&#8217;s hard to use<br />
2) i have to relearn and i&#8217;m lazy<br />
3) why bother<br />
4) i don&#8217;t understand those principles<br />
5) our county don&#8217;t belong to the OMS<br />
6) there&#8217;s no law about software copyright</p>
<p>when people find easy access to something they won&#8217;t bother to find let alone create and invent alternatives<br />
when people don&#8217;t believe their actions or personality are wrong they won&#8217;t try to change</p>
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		<title>By: jim Shaver</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-110084</link>
		<dc:creator>jim Shaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fabian Rodriguez  You can&#039;t at this point download RIP! a Remix Manifesto outside the US.  It is geo-blocked</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-110083</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen buddy I see that you reallt like to have the reliability of a good citizen follower of the law, but then again, these methods seek to eliminate all diversity in our society. If people would choose to just listen to those artists that freely share their music under GNU or other form of free license, then what about the other bands? Will they simply extinguish? Sorry for the anonymous post tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen buddy I see that you reallt like to have the reliability of a good citizen follower of the law, but then again, these methods seek to eliminate all diversity in our society. If people would choose to just listen to those artists that freely share their music under GNU or other form of free license, then what about the other bands? Will they simply extinguish? Sorry for the anonymous post tough.</p>
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		<title>By: Dara Adib</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-110059</link>
		<dc:creator>Dara Adib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction: that should be hurt not heart
The civil rights movement was in part successful because the boycotts targeted where it &lt;i&gt;hurt&lt;/i&gt; (their wallets).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction: that should be hurt not heart<br />
The civil rights movement was in part successful because the boycotts targeted where it <i>hurt</i> (their wallets).</p>
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		<title>By: Dara Adib</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-110058</link>
		<dc:creator>Dara Adib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anonymous May 30
I don&#039;t think you quite got the grasp of what I was saying. The civil rights movement was in part successful because the boycotts targeted where it heart (their wallets). Copyright infringement doesn&#039;t do the same to the media industry, despite what the MAFIAA will claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anonymous May 30<br />
I don&#8217;t think you quite got the grasp of what I was saying. The civil rights movement was in part successful because the boycotts targeted where it heart (their wallets). Copyright infringement doesn&#8217;t do the same to the media industry, despite what the MAFIAA will claim.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan W</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-110028</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The test for justification of an act is not its legality but its morality&quot;  --Howard Zinn

Piracy is like smashing a store front and stealing TVs.  Yeah, it&#039;s a form of civil disobedience.  There are better ways to leverage civil disobedience against copyright, &quot;intellectual property,&quot; software patents and the like.  Piracy just devalues software.  Free software (although given away freely) has alot of value.  Put your time into free software.  It won&#039;t be a bad investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The test for justification of an act is not its legality but its morality&#8221;  &#8211;Howard Zinn</p>
<p>Piracy is like smashing a store front and stealing TVs.  Yeah, it&#8217;s a form of civil disobedience.  There are better ways to leverage civil disobedience against copyright, &#8220;intellectual property,&#8221; software patents and the like.  Piracy just devalues software.  Free software (although given away freely) has alot of value.  Put your time into free software.  It won&#8217;t be a bad investment.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-110024</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 08:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dara Adib: What bullshit. Change is only brought about when you&#039;re inhumanly stubborn and are in the pain in the ass to yhe authority inasmuch you cause so much suffering to yourself that it&#039;s perfectly okay and logical to declare yourself insane. Take M@h@tm@ G@ndhi or any civil rights leader for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dara Adib: What bullshit. Change is only brought about when you&#8217;re inhumanly stubborn and are in the pain in the ass to yhe authority inasmuch you cause so much suffering to yourself that it&#8217;s perfectly okay and logical to declare yourself insane. Take M@h@tm@ G@ndhi or any civil rights leader for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Dara Adib</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-110019</link>
		<dc:creator>Dara Adib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really had to say thank you for the blog post. It&#039;s excellently written and gives a voice to the ideas inside of me.

Do you think the (American) civil rights movement would have succeeded if Blacks pretended to be Whites in order to use facilities as they pleased? No, they had to show the world that we are a community which will not put up with your racism -- by boycotting the racists and by empowering themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really had to say thank you for the blog post. It&#8217;s excellently written and gives a voice to the ideas inside of me.</p>
<p>Do you think the (American) civil rights movement would have succeeded if Blacks pretended to be Whites in order to use facilities as they pleased? No, they had to show the world that we are a community which will not put up with your racism &#8212; by boycotting the racists and by empowering themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-110018</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quote I&#039;ve used occasionally, that I picked up from http://dag.wieers.com/

&quot;Stop software &#039;piracy&#039;, support Open Source!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quote I&#8217;ve used occasionally, that I picked up from <a href="http://dag.wieers.com/" rel="nofollow">http://dag.wieers.com/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Stop software &#8216;piracy&#8217;, support Open Source!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-110015</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree with you at all. All I have to say is that NORMAL people don&#039;t care (pardon me for sounding rude, but it&#039;s true). Who in hell would write books for free? Who in their right mind (both politically and morally) would even make free software that matches the quality of well-tested proprietary software. I need to make those cool 3D smart art presentations that Office 2007 has. What do I do now? Download open office (aka Microsoft Office copycat circa 1995) and wait for someone to write an extension? See, the world isn&#039;t as extreme as you or for that matter extreme rightists are. People don&#039;t like to make compromises. I&#039;m not defending piracy. All I&#039;m saying is that it&#039;s unavoidable quite a lot of time, and most people are not as patient as you want them to be. They want to get on with their lives and get their work done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with you at all. All I have to say is that NORMAL people don&#8217;t care (pardon me for sounding rude, but it&#8217;s true). Who in hell would write books for free? Who in their right mind (both politically and morally) would even make free software that matches the quality of well-tested proprietary software. I need to make those cool 3D smart art presentations that Office 2007 has. What do I do now? Download open office (aka Microsoft Office copycat circa 1995) and wait for someone to write an extension? See, the world isn&#8217;t as extreme as you or for that matter extreme rightists are. People don&#8217;t like to make compromises. I&#8217;m not defending piracy. All I&#8217;m saying is that it&#8217;s unavoidable quite a lot of time, and most people are not as patient as you want them to be. They want to get on with their lives and get their work done.</p>
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		<title>By: onlyme</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-110006</link>
		<dc:creator>onlyme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 07:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If everyone is disobeying a law then the law is dead. We can&#039;t stop now. If we will accept the copyright they will win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If everyone is disobeying a law then the law is dead. We can&#8217;t stop now. If we will accept the copyright they will win.</p>
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		<title>By: SoftCoder</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-109999</link>
		<dc:creator>SoftCoder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free Software Advocate + Piracy = Techno-adultery + Techo-Pharisee + Techno-Prostitute.

Bottom line is that it is hypocrisy in no uncertain terms and de-evaluates your imfluence, who wants to listen to a double minded man. As you said, no man can serve two masters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free Software Advocate + Piracy = Techno-adultery + Techo-Pharisee + Techno-Prostitute.</p>
<p>Bottom line is that it is hypocrisy in no uncertain terms and de-evaluates your imfluence, who wants to listen to a double minded man. As you said, no man can serve two masters.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Bill</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/05/17/piracy-sucks/#comment-109994</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 19:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.

You know, as an IT professional, I CONSTANTLY get people within my personal circle of acquaintances, who come to me and go, &quot;say, can you get me a &#039;free&#039; copy of {your favorite commercial software, typically Window$ XP or Micro$oft Office, here}?&quot;

This drives me stark raving nuts, and I usually rant back to them, &quot;Sure, I COULD... but I won&#039;t. Why don&#039;t you just use Ubuntu and OpenOffice, instead?&quot;

It frustrates me no end that even in an environment where there is a legal, free alternative that is FAR superior to the commercial product, people are still so short-sighted and cheap that they&#039;d prefer an illegal copy of the commercial thing, to a legal copy of the free thing. All we can really do to stop this, is simply to educate people about Open Source. It is going to be a slow and painful process, but it&#039;s also a necessary one.

Having said the above, there is one thing about your position that I really have to take issue with. 

Whereas it is obviously unethical to pirate some kinds of digital goods (the latest Britney Spears CD, for example... though I have no idea why anyone would want it, even if it was free), there is a huge &quot;grey area&quot; of digital goods, the unauthorized downloading and / or use of might IN THEORY be illegal and / or unethical, in practice, I think you would have a hard time convincing any reasonable person that doing this would in any real sense be worthy of sanction.

For example, consider using BitTorrent to download a rare, &quot;niche interest&quot; song or movie, that is simply unavailable for you to purchase, in your area of residence, for any price (or, any reasonable price).

What if you&#039;re using some kind of semi-legal service to watch television shows that the motion picture industry hasn&#039;t &quot;released&quot;, for the part of the world in which you live? Or what if you want to buy something, but they refuse to sell it to you?

One glaring example of this is, in the country where I live, I once tried to pay Amazon U.S. to download a few .MP3s, from their on-line store. I was promptly presented with a &quot;geo-blocking&quot; error message, saying, &quot;We are not authorized to sell you digital music, because we have not been able to conclude a licensing agreement with the recording industry in your country.&quot;

So here we have the ridiculous situation in which a customer WANTS to pay for a digital good, but is prevented from doing so, purely because of the archaic licensing rules of the recording industry. This kind of nonsense goes on hundreds of thousands of times each day. Is it any surprise, then, that music enthusiasts just download what they want, from BitTorrent?

There are thousands upon thousands of other examples of this kind of thing, in which, one&#039;s accessing digital content in a way that &quot;the authorities&quot; deem to be &quot;illegal&quot;, can&#039;t possibly have any real effect (or, more than a marginal effect) on the revenues of whomever theoretically &quot;owns&quot; that content. It strains credulity to believe that consumer non-conformance with wildly unreasonable and one-sided &quot;intellectual property&quot; laws designed to enforce these types of restrictions, should be considered as &quot;illegal&quot; or &quot;unethical&quot;.

The larger point is, we are living in a world in which (for example) the U.S. RIAA and MPAA are steadfastly demanding that it should be &quot;illegal&quot;, for a consumer to transcode songs from a legally purchased CD, or a movie from a legally purchased DVD, to some other format that might be compatible with (say) an iPod, etc.. These trade cartels are seriously arguing that each time that a piece of digital content gets transcoded, the &quot;intellectual property owner&quot; has to get paid again... and again... ad infinitum.

The huge power imbalance going on here is that the IFPI, RIAA, MPAA and so on, have a huge lobbying budget and a strong parochial interest in abusing the political process to impose their way of doing business, on consumers. Conversely, the rights of digital content users are diffused across millions of individual citizens, who have neither the time, nor the expertise, nor the money, to challenge self-interested groups like the recording, software and movie industries.

Given this kind of obstinate denial of basic consumer rights to access LEGALLY PAID FOR digital content, it is both unsurprising and wholly legitimate, for consumers to use whatever technological means that may be at their disposal, to &#039;end-run&#039; stupid laws like the DMCA, that were imposed by an incompetent, corrupt political process.

So am I in favour of &quot;piracy&quot;? Not at all. But when I have a recording industry, or a government, telling me that ripping a CD that I just bought at the local record store, is &quot;piracy&quot;, then they have just completely discredited themselves. They can drop dead, and take their so-called &quot;lost revenues&quot;, with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.</p>
<p>You know, as an IT professional, I CONSTANTLY get people within my personal circle of acquaintances, who come to me and go, &#8220;say, can you get me a &#8216;free&#8217; copy of {your favorite commercial software, typically Window$ XP or Micro$oft Office, here}?&#8221;</p>
<p>This drives me stark raving nuts, and I usually rant back to them, &#8220;Sure, I COULD&#8230; but I won&#8217;t. Why don&#8217;t you just use Ubuntu and OpenOffice, instead?&#8221;</p>
<p>It frustrates me no end that even in an environment where there is a legal, free alternative that is FAR superior to the commercial product, people are still so short-sighted and cheap that they&#8217;d prefer an illegal copy of the commercial thing, to a legal copy of the free thing. All we can really do to stop this, is simply to educate people about Open Source. It is going to be a slow and painful process, but it&#8217;s also a necessary one.</p>
<p>Having said the above, there is one thing about your position that I really have to take issue with. </p>
<p>Whereas it is obviously unethical to pirate some kinds of digital goods (the latest Britney Spears CD, for example&#8230; though I have no idea why anyone would want it, even if it was free), there is a huge &#8220;grey area&#8221; of digital goods, the unauthorized downloading and / or use of might IN THEORY be illegal and / or unethical, in practice, I think you would have a hard time convincing any reasonable person that doing this would in any real sense be worthy of sanction.</p>
<p>For example, consider using BitTorrent to download a rare, &#8220;niche interest&#8221; song or movie, that is simply unavailable for you to purchase, in your area of residence, for any price (or, any reasonable price).</p>
<p>What if you&#8217;re using some kind of semi-legal service to watch television shows that the motion picture industry hasn&#8217;t &#8220;released&#8221;, for the part of the world in which you live? Or what if you want to buy something, but they refuse to sell it to you?</p>
<p>One glaring example of this is, in the country where I live, I once tried to pay Amazon U.S. to download a few .MP3s, from their on-line store. I was promptly presented with a &#8220;geo-blocking&#8221; error message, saying, &#8220;We are not authorized to sell you digital music, because we have not been able to conclude a licensing agreement with the recording industry in your country.&#8221;</p>
<p>So here we have the ridiculous situation in which a customer WANTS to pay for a digital good, but is prevented from doing so, purely because of the archaic licensing rules of the recording industry. This kind of nonsense goes on hundreds of thousands of times each day. Is it any surprise, then, that music enthusiasts just download what they want, from BitTorrent?</p>
<p>There are thousands upon thousands of other examples of this kind of thing, in which, one&#8217;s accessing digital content in a way that &#8220;the authorities&#8221; deem to be &#8220;illegal&#8221;, can&#8217;t possibly have any real effect (or, more than a marginal effect) on the revenues of whomever theoretically &#8220;owns&#8221; that content. It strains credulity to believe that consumer non-conformance with wildly unreasonable and one-sided &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; laws designed to enforce these types of restrictions, should be considered as &#8220;illegal&#8221; or &#8220;unethical&#8221;.</p>
<p>The larger point is, we are living in a world in which (for example) the U.S. RIAA and MPAA are steadfastly demanding that it should be &#8220;illegal&#8221;, for a consumer to transcode songs from a legally purchased CD, or a movie from a legally purchased DVD, to some other format that might be compatible with (say) an iPod, etc.. These trade cartels are seriously arguing that each time that a piece of digital content gets transcoded, the &#8220;intellectual property owner&#8221; has to get paid again&#8230; and again&#8230; ad infinitum.</p>
<p>The huge power imbalance going on here is that the IFPI, RIAA, MPAA and so on, have a huge lobbying budget and a strong parochial interest in abusing the political process to impose their way of doing business, on consumers. Conversely, the rights of digital content users are diffused across millions of individual citizens, who have neither the time, nor the expertise, nor the money, to challenge self-interested groups like the recording, software and movie industries.</p>
<p>Given this kind of obstinate denial of basic consumer rights to access LEGALLY PAID FOR digital content, it is both unsurprising and wholly legitimate, for consumers to use whatever technological means that may be at their disposal, to &#8216;end-run&#8217; stupid laws like the DMCA, that were imposed by an incompetent, corrupt political process.</p>
<p>So am I in favour of &#8220;piracy&#8221;? Not at all. But when I have a recording industry, or a government, telling me that ripping a CD that I just bought at the local record store, is &#8220;piracy&#8221;, then they have just completely discredited themselves. They can drop dead, and take their so-called &#8220;lost revenues&#8221;, with them.</p>
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