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		<title>By: Kevin Burke</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-124720</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brevity is always a good thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brevity is always a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Owain</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-124288</link>
		<dc:creator>Owain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 20:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But again, it really doesn’t matter what it stands for, does it? What matters is how you use it.&quot;

Totally. It could be called &#039;bananajuice&#039;, and it would still function in the same way. Similarly, knowing the origin of sed, grep and tar have little impact on actual usage, despite them now being symbolic of how far computing has developed. (The benefit of brevity with two-letter commands over slow connections is also something consigned to history!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But again, it really doesn’t matter what it stands for, does it? What matters is how you use it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Totally. It could be called &#8216;bananajuice&#8217;, and it would still function in the same way. Similarly, knowing the origin of sed, grep and tar have little impact on actual usage, despite them now being symbolic of how far computing has developed. (The benefit of brevity with two-letter commands over slow connections is also something consigned to history!)</p>
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		<title>By: Jestin Joy</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-124276</link>
		<dc:creator>Jestin Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For a moment I thought that what I taught all these years to students was wrong. Dennis Ritchie saved my day :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a moment I thought that what I taught all these years to students was wrong. Dennis Ritchie saved my day <img src='http://pthree.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Simon Arthur</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-124275</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love how easy it is to overflow the 100 character buffer when entering the password.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how easy it is to overflow the 100 character buffer when entering the password.</p>
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		<title>By: Luffy Ke</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-124274</link>
		<dc:creator>Luffy Ke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sudo echo &#039;Interesting reading&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sudo echo &#8216;Interesting reading&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Jan de Vos</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-124273</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan de Vos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely the wat to start a subshell is by just executing &#039;sh&#039;? The purpose of su is to make sure you are running as a specific user, so &#039;Set Uid&#039; would be the most logical interpretation...,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely the wat to start a subshell is by just executing &#8216;sh&#8217;? The purpose of su is to make sure you are running as a specific user, so &#8216;Set Uid&#8217; would be the most logical interpretation&#8230;,</p>
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		<title>By: Tri</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-124272</link>
		<dc:creator>Tri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unix history is always an interesting read!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unix history is always an interesting read!</p>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-124271</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there&#039;s a bug on the code.. to label badpw fallbacks to ok:, so if the getpw doesn&#039;t return a correct passwd, setuid(0) will be called &gt;.&lt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s a bug on the code.. to label badpw fallbacks to ok:, so if the getpw doesn&#8217;t return a correct passwd, setuid(0) will be called &gt;.&lt;</p>
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		<title>By: Why, fedora WHY!!!??? - Page 4 - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-115525</link>
		<dc:creator>Why, fedora WHY!!!??? - Page 4 - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 19:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] with my built in console/python terminal, build tools, tabs, and sessions for anything.    Noooooo http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/ It goes way back to the original Unix code and meanings. Originally SU was SuperUser and not [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with my built in console/python terminal, build tools, tabs, and sessions for anything.    Noooooo <a href="http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/" rel="nofollow">http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/</a> It goes way back to the original Unix code and meanings. Originally SU was SuperUser and not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jonkx</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-110933</link>
		<dc:creator>jonkx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 17:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I worked with the Unix OS from the early 1980&#039;s (at first we ran early versions on a DEC PDP-11) until 1992. Starting in  1992, I did contract work on proprietary versions based on SVR4.  

It was just easier to say the initials &quot;S U&quot; or &quot;super-user&quot; than to say &quot;switch user&quot; or &quot;substitute user&quot;.    To insist on correctness, whether authoritarian, historical or otherwise seems petty.      

Depending on the options used, su can be used to switch user, substitute user or become &quot;super user&quot;.  Success depends on knowledge of the appropriate password.   &quot;sudo&quot; on the other hand may allow one to become any other user (depending on the configuration of sudo and being a &quot;sodoer&quot;) knowing only the login password.

On the systems I have used, a sudoer can become root (&quot;super user&quot;) using this shell command at a terminal:

sudo su - root
  
and responding to the prompt with the login password used to sign in the current user.

I think it is important to point out that you cannot become &quot;super user&quot; or root from a shell with the su command alone unless there is a root password and that password is entered at the prompt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked with the Unix OS from the early 1980&#8242;s (at first we ran early versions on a DEC PDP-11) until 1992. Starting in  1992, I did contract work on proprietary versions based on SVR4.  </p>
<p>It was just easier to say the initials &#8220;S U&#8221; or &#8220;super-user&#8221; than to say &#8220;switch user&#8221; or &#8220;substitute user&#8221;.    To insist on correctness, whether authoritarian, historical or otherwise seems petty.      </p>
<p>Depending on the options used, su can be used to switch user, substitute user or become &#8220;super user&#8221;.  Success depends on knowledge of the appropriate password.   &#8220;sudo&#8221; on the other hand may allow one to become any other user (depending on the configuration of sudo and being a &#8220;sodoer&#8221;) knowing only the login password.</p>
<p>On the systems I have used, a sudoer can become root (&#8220;super user&#8221;) using this shell command at a terminal:</p>
<p>sudo su &#8211; root</p>
<p>and responding to the prompt with the login password used to sign in the current user.</p>
<p>I think it is important to point out that you cannot become &#8220;super user&#8221; or root from a shell with the su command alone unless there is a root password and that password is entered at the prompt.</p>
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		<title>By: The (C) Gentoo User</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-110757</link>
		<dc:creator>The (C) Gentoo User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please fix the code. It does not compile with the latest GCC. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please fix the code. It does not compile with the latest GCC. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Meanwhile in Gotham City ← pseudopost.org</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-110737</link>
		<dc:creator>Meanwhile in Gotham City ← pseudopost.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Shared Aaron Toponce : The Meaning of ’su’. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: NetStorming &#187; El significado de &#8220;su&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-110647</link>
		<dc:creator>NetStorming &#187; El significado de &#8220;su&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 04:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Al parecer, Aaron Toponce lo ha hecho en muchas oportunidades, llegando al punto de escribir un post sobre el significado de su. En el mismo comenta los distintos descubrimientos que evidenciaban diferentes significados para [...]

[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment&#039;s actual post text did not contain your blog url (http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su) and so is spam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Al parecer, Aaron Toponce lo ha hecho en muchas oportunidades, llegando al punto de escribir un post sobre el significado de su. En el mismo comenta los distintos descubrimientos que evidenciaban diferentes significados para [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Capt Caveman</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-110580</link>
		<dc:creator>Capt Caveman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 03:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in the mid 70&#039;s when I learning to program my professor said su stood for super user and it that gave you the power to destroy an entire computer system with a single command.

[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The poster sent us &#039;0 which is not a hashcash value.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the mid 70&#8242;s when I learning to program my professor said su stood for super user and it that gave you the power to destroy an entire computer system with a single command.</p>
<p>[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The poster sent us &#8217;0 which is not a hashcash value.</p>
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		<title>By: Garry Parker</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2009/12/31/the-meaning-of-su/#comment-110577</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aaron, you&#039;ve got a point there!  The more I think about, the more I tend to agree with you.  If it was only used to become super-user, it&#039;s possible that&#039;s what the name originally meant.  Perhaps later when more features were added, the definition changed.  I&#039;ve been using Unix since the late 80s and like you I&#039;ve always heard that su meant super-user.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, you&#8217;ve got a point there!  The more I think about, the more I tend to agree with you.  If it was only used to become super-user, it&#8217;s possible that&#8217;s what the name originally meant.  Perhaps later when more features were added, the definition changed.  I&#8217;ve been using Unix since the late 80s and like you I&#8217;ve always heard that su meant super-user.</p>
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