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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2011/09/30/why-firefox-is-my-browser-of-choice/#comment-121828</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 03:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I switched from Firefox to Chrome on my desktop PC. Chrome runs faster where page loads and overall usage are more responsive with fluid transitions, plus YouTube videos run much smoother without stutter effects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I switched from Firefox to Chrome on my desktop PC. Chrome runs faster where page loads and overall usage are more responsive with fluid transitions, plus YouTube videos run much smoother without stutter effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Firefoxxx</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2011/09/30/why-firefox-is-my-browser-of-choice/#comment-116145</link>
		<dc:creator>Firefoxxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Opera 12 Scores: HTML5 TEST: 325 VS 299 of firefox - PEACEKEEPER - Opera obtains the best score ACID3 - Opera 100/100 GRAPICS ACCELERATION is best which firefox in Opera, and opera is best]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opera 12 Scores: HTML5 TEST: 325 VS 299 of firefox &#8211; PEACEKEEPER &#8211; Opera obtains the best score ACID3 &#8211; Opera 100/100 GRAPICS ACCELERATION is best which firefox in Opera, and opera is best</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Toponce</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2011/09/30/why-firefox-is-my-browser-of-choice/#comment-116098</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Toponce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, Firebug is one sweet tool. Although the Chrome developer tools rival it fairly well, there are some Firebug-isms that I&#039;ve grown accustomed to, that Chrome doesn&#039;t ship.

I&#039;ll admit that I&#039;m a bit concerned that Google is Mozilla&#039;s &quot;nest egg&quot; financially, so-to-speak, and if Google decides to drop support for their search engine as the default, what the future of Mozilla might be. So, I was a bit relieved to see the Twitter search integration with version 8. I&#039;d be willing to bet that Mozilla isn&#039;t doing that for free.

At any event, my support for Firefox isn&#039;t waning any time soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Firebug is one sweet tool. Although the Chrome developer tools rival it fairly well, there are some Firebug-isms that I&#8217;ve grown accustomed to, that Chrome doesn&#8217;t ship.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit that I&#8217;m a bit concerned that Google is Mozilla&#8217;s &#8220;nest egg&#8221; financially, so-to-speak, and if Google decides to drop support for their search engine as the default, what the future of Mozilla might be. So, I was a bit relieved to see the Twitter search integration with version 8. I&#8217;d be willing to bet that Mozilla isn&#8217;t doing that for free.</p>
<p>At any event, my support for Firefox isn&#8217;t waning any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Bunting</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2011/09/30/why-firefox-is-my-browser-of-choice/#comment-116096</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Bunting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been and continue to be a die-hard Firefox fan, although I admit that I&#039;m using Chrome more and more, but until they have the exact same version of Firebug running in it (or a tool that does the _exact_ same things that Firebug does), I&#039;m not going to make the jump in any permanent sense. Of course, as a web application developer, I unfortunately have to run IE on my development machines - esp. for one of the largest software clients in the valley, the LDS church, since IE is their &quot;official&quot; browser. Blech.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been and continue to be a die-hard Firefox fan, although I admit that I&#8217;m using Chrome more and more, but until they have the exact same version of Firebug running in it (or a tool that does the _exact_ same things that Firebug does), I&#8217;m not going to make the jump in any permanent sense. Of course, as a web application developer, I unfortunately have to run IE on my development machines &#8211; esp. for one of the largest software clients in the valley, the LDS church, since IE is their &#8220;official&#8221; browser. Blech.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Toponce</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2011/09/30/why-firefox-is-my-browser-of-choice/#comment-116029</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Toponce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jim People keep saying that, but I don&#039;t have these massively long startup times, nor do I have the instability. With 6 tab groups and about 50 tabs currently open, Firefox and Iceweasel both are ready to go in a second or two. And my uptime is days, without a single crash.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jim People keep saying that, but I don&#8217;t have these massively long startup times, nor do I have the instability. With 6 tab groups and about 50 tabs currently open, Firefox and Iceweasel both are ready to go in a second or two. And my uptime is days, without a single crash.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2011/09/30/why-firefox-is-my-browser-of-choice/#comment-116028</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Firefox maybe the most compliant looking at your stats, but it takes the longest to startup and crashes more often than the others. I have to run it, wait 5 minutes, shutdown the process and run it again...every single morning! 
The new version 7 has started randomly crashing while surfing now. If only Google Chrome had Firebug.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firefox maybe the most compliant looking at your stats, but it takes the longest to startup and crashes more often than the others. I have to run it, wait 5 minutes, shutdown the process and run it again&#8230;every single morning!<br />
The new version 7 has started randomly crashing while surfing now. If only Google Chrome had Firebug.</p>
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		<title>By: darkduck</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2011/09/30/why-firefox-is-my-browser-of-choice/#comment-116026</link>
		<dc:creator>darkduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 08:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still prefer Chrome, even though have Firefox Aurora (alpha-channel) installed and run sometimes.

By the way... there is a way to make FF look almost similar to Chrome: http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2011/08/chromofox.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still prefer Chrome, even though have Firefox Aurora (alpha-channel) installed and run sometimes.</p>
<p>By the way&#8230; there is a way to make FF look almost similar to Chrome: <a href="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2011/08/chromofox.html" rel="nofollow">http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2011/08/chromofox.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: dAnjou</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2011/09/30/why-firefox-is-my-browser-of-choice/#comment-116021</link>
		<dc:creator>dAnjou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 03:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Aaron Toponce: You wrote &quot;[...] this post was about metrics, rather than subjection.&quot; Well, then you should say that in your post because I can see that you posted some measured results but things like &quot;Why Firefox Is My Browser Of Choice&quot;, &quot;Let’s talk browsers. [...] Ordered best to worst.&quot; and &quot;Further, it’s interesting that Firefox beats the pants out of Chrome in 3 of the 4 tests, and yet Chrome is gaining market share. Go figure.&quot; do not sound like this is ONLY about metrics. If it&#039;s about standards I&#039;m the first who wants things 100% accurate and I started using Chromium because at that time Firefox had some ugly problems with JavaScript. And now I&#039;m happy with Chromium but once in a while I have a look at Firefox and the one thing that keeps me from using it again is usability.

PS: I wasn&#039;t using Safari on Android before (what the ...?). It was Dolphin HD on Android.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aaron Toponce: You wrote &#8220;[...] this post was about metrics, rather than subjection.&#8221; Well, then you should say that in your post because I can see that you posted some measured results but things like &#8220;Why Firefox Is My Browser Of Choice&#8221;, &#8220;Let’s talk browsers. [...] Ordered best to worst.&#8221; and &#8220;Further, it’s interesting that Firefox beats the pants out of Chrome in 3 of the 4 tests, and yet Chrome is gaining market share. Go figure.&#8221; do not sound like this is ONLY about metrics. If it&#8217;s about standards I&#8217;m the first who wants things 100% accurate and I started using Chromium because at that time Firefox had some ugly problems with JavaScript. And now I&#8217;m happy with Chromium but once in a while I have a look at Firefox and the one thing that keeps me from using it again is usability.</p>
<p>PS: I wasn&#8217;t using Safari on Android before (what the &#8230;?). It was Dolphin HD on Android.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexi Helligar</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2011/09/30/why-firefox-is-my-browser-of-choice/#comment-116016</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexi Helligar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have noticed a few quirks with Firefox 5, 6, 7 when rendering web graphics, especially on Android devices. One thing about Chrome that is surprising is how often it mangles scrolling in Gmail. Go figure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have noticed a few quirks with Firefox 5, 6, 7 when rendering web graphics, especially on Android devices. One thing about Chrome that is surprising is how often it mangles scrolling in Gmail. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Broadley</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2011/09/30/why-firefox-is-my-browser-of-choice/#comment-116015</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Broadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 14:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used Firefox for years, then Chromium for the past two.  But with the arrival of Firefox Sync, I&#039;m back again and very happy with Firefox.

But despite moving back to Firefox, I miss Chromium&#039;s performance.  I&#039;m running 11.04 on a reasonably powerful laptop, but try visiting www.ninjago.com (needs must with a 7 year old son) using Firefox 6 and the animations are appalling - useless in fact.  Same with Firefox 7, albeit ever-so-slightly faster.  Now try the same site on Chromium - perfect.  In fact, this goes for just about any flash game.  They&#039;re all better on Chromium.

It would seem that the benchmarks aren&#039;t telling anywhere like the whole story.

And it doesn&#039;t help that sites like Amazon&#039;s Cloud Reader require Chome or Chromium.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used Firefox for years, then Chromium for the past two.  But with the arrival of Firefox Sync, I&#8217;m back again and very happy with Firefox.</p>
<p>But despite moving back to Firefox, I miss Chromium&#8217;s performance.  I&#8217;m running 11.04 on a reasonably powerful laptop, but try visiting <a href="http://www.ninjago.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ninjago.com</a> (needs must with a 7 year old son) using Firefox 6 and the animations are appalling &#8211; useless in fact.  Same with Firefox 7, albeit ever-so-slightly faster.  Now try the same site on Chromium &#8211; perfect.  In fact, this goes for just about any flash game.  They&#8217;re all better on Chromium.</p>
<p>It would seem that the benchmarks aren&#8217;t telling anywhere like the whole story.</p>
<p>And it doesn&#8217;t help that sites like Amazon&#8217;s Cloud Reader require Chome or Chromium.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Toponce</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2011/09/30/why-firefox-is-my-browser-of-choice/#comment-116014</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Toponce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone-

So, that&#039;s interesting. Updating to the latest release yields the following results from http://html5test.com:

&quot;your browser scores 325 AND 13 BONUS POINTS out of a total of 450 points&quot;

Interesting that from 14.0.835.163 to 14.0.835.186, there is that much difference. Either that, or something else is going on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone-</p>
<p>So, that&#8217;s interesting. Updating to the latest release yields the following results from <a href="http://html5test.com" rel="nofollow">http://html5test.com</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;your browser scores 325 AND 13 BONUS POINTS out of a total of 450 points&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting that from 14.0.835.163 to 14.0.835.186, there is that much difference. Either that, or something else is going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Toponce</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2011/09/30/why-firefox-is-my-browser-of-choice/#comment-116013</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Toponce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@David- Yeah, I guess I either need to update my Chrome to the latest build, or every one of you are running a beta or development version. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David- Yeah, I guess I either need to update my Chrome to the latest build, or every one of you are running a beta or development version. <img src='http://pthree.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Toponce</title>
		<link>http://pthree.org/2011/09/30/why-firefox-is-my-browser-of-choice/#comment-116012</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Toponce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Tachyon Feathertail- So, what are those advantages then?

@kahping- The others are V8 by Google and Kraken by Mozilla. V8 is only designed to test Chrome&#039;s V8 JavaScript engine. It&#039;s not meant to be a cross-browser benchmark. Also, I was unaware of Kraken when I posted this, but on running those browsers against that benchmark, Chrome outperforms Firefox:

Chrome: 2885.6ms +/- 0.7%
Firefox: 3820.6ms +/- 0.9%
Opera: 6981.2 +/- 0.9%
Safari: 11116.9 +/- 0.6%

@fRIOUX Schmidt- Yes. I would much rather support a nonprofit than a mega-corp.

@dAnjou- Sure, usability is very important, of which all the browsers on the market have. I find Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Safari all very usable, but this post was about metrics, rather than subjection.

@Etric- How bad it ended up where? On the benchmark or elsewhere?

@BeSlayed- No idea. I don&#039;t have access to a Windows 7 machine to test (with the rest of the browsers, of course).

@Anonymous- Other than the benchmark, those are interesting results. Of course, the benchmark would mean more if it were on my machine where I tested the rest of the browsers as well. I have no idea what hardware you have, nor do you know what I have. :)

With regards to your other comments about Flash crashing, usability, and breaking extensions, I&#039;ve not had a problem with any of them. I&#039;ve heard people complain about Firefox being so unstable, but I&#039;ve not discovered it. In fact, I&#039;ve had crashed tabs more often in Chrome than Firefox. And with breaking extensions, that&#039;s not the fault of Firefox, but of the extension developer.

@stefan- Other than DNS prefetching, of which Firefox has, I&#039;m not familiar with this enhanced page loading before you&#039;re done typing the URL. Is there some documentation on this?

@KOSHrf- It appears that you have a more recent build of Chrome than I do. Are you running the stable build, or beta? Or development even?

@alindt- Hmm. Interesting. It appears I have an older build. I&#039;ll update, and see if that has an effect on the HTML5test.com results. With regards to the cores, that&#039;s an interesting find, something I didn&#039;t pay attention to.

@wh- &quot;Extensive use of JS is IMHO very bad&quot;. Then complain to the web developer? That&#039;s not a standards problem, and the standards certainly aren&#039;t broken. With regards to your complaint about &quot;needing&quot; extension, none of them are &quot;needed&quot;, you just have different expectations about privacy on the web than others. I use AdBlock, but that&#039;s it. Other than that, the web is fairly usable for me. To each their own, I guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tachyon Feathertail- So, what are those advantages then?</p>
<p>@kahping- The others are V8 by Google and Kraken by Mozilla. V8 is only designed to test Chrome&#8217;s V8 JavaScript engine. It&#8217;s not meant to be a cross-browser benchmark. Also, I was unaware of Kraken when I posted this, but on running those browsers against that benchmark, Chrome outperforms Firefox:</p>
<p>Chrome: 2885.6ms +/- 0.7%<br />
Firefox: 3820.6ms +/- 0.9%<br />
Opera: 6981.2 +/- 0.9%<br />
Safari: 11116.9 +/- 0.6%</p>
<p>@fRIOUX Schmidt- Yes. I would much rather support a nonprofit than a mega-corp.</p>
<p>@dAnjou- Sure, usability is very important, of which all the browsers on the market have. I find Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Safari all very usable, but this post was about metrics, rather than subjection.</p>
<p>@Etric- How bad it ended up where? On the benchmark or elsewhere?</p>
<p>@BeSlayed- No idea. I don&#8217;t have access to a Windows 7 machine to test (with the rest of the browsers, of course).</p>
<p>@Anonymous- Other than the benchmark, those are interesting results. Of course, the benchmark would mean more if it were on my machine where I tested the rest of the browsers as well. I have no idea what hardware you have, nor do you know what I have. <img src='http://pthree.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>With regards to your other comments about Flash crashing, usability, and breaking extensions, I&#8217;ve not had a problem with any of them. I&#8217;ve heard people complain about Firefox being so unstable, but I&#8217;ve not discovered it. In fact, I&#8217;ve had crashed tabs more often in Chrome than Firefox. And with breaking extensions, that&#8217;s not the fault of Firefox, but of the extension developer.</p>
<p>@stefan- Other than DNS prefetching, of which Firefox has, I&#8217;m not familiar with this enhanced page loading before you&#8217;re done typing the URL. Is there some documentation on this?</p>
<p>@KOSHrf- It appears that you have a more recent build of Chrome than I do. Are you running the stable build, or beta? Or development even?</p>
<p>@alindt- Hmm. Interesting. It appears I have an older build. I&#8217;ll update, and see if that has an effect on the HTML5test.com results. With regards to the cores, that&#8217;s an interesting find, something I didn&#8217;t pay attention to.</p>
<p>@wh- &#8220;Extensive use of JS is IMHO very bad&#8221;. Then complain to the web developer? That&#8217;s not a standards problem, and the standards certainly aren&#8217;t broken. With regards to your complaint about &#8220;needing&#8221; extension, none of them are &#8220;needed&#8221;, you just have different expectations about privacy on the web than others. I use AdBlock, but that&#8217;s it. Other than that, the web is fairly usable for me. To each their own, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: alindt</title>
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		<dc:creator>alindt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@wh: what is a &quot;broken standard&quot;? At most the standards&#039; implementations in browsers are broken/incomplete to some degree. I hardly think ads and ad-blockers are solutions to broken web standards. The plugins/extensions you talk about are merely enhancements to a browser that deal with one&#039;s personal preferences, but they don&#039;t deal with standards and their brokenness.

Can you name a few of these &quot;broken standards&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wh: what is a &#8220;broken standard&#8221;? At most the standards&#8217; implementations in browsers are broken/incomplete to some degree. I hardly think ads and ad-blockers are solutions to broken web standards. The plugins/extensions you talk about are merely enhancements to a browser that deal with one&#8217;s personal preferences, but they don&#8217;t deal with standards and their brokenness.</p>
<p>Can you name a few of these &#8220;broken standards&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Ubuntu 11.04 I get the following for the HTML5 tests:
Firefox 7: 298 and 9 bonus points
Chrome 14: 325 and 13 bonus points

I still use Firefox as my primary browser though, mainly because of Firebug, although Chrome&#039;s developer tools are getting quite good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Ubuntu 11.04 I get the following for the HTML5 tests:<br />
Firefox 7: 298 and 9 bonus points<br />
Chrome 14: 325 and 13 bonus points</p>
<p>I still use Firefox as my primary browser though, mainly because of Firebug, although Chrome&#8217;s developer tools are getting quite good.</p>
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