Comments on: Why I Don't Run Windows, 7 https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/ Linux. GNU. Freedom. Wed, 13 Dec 2017 19:29:15 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0-alpha-42199 By: Amy Rose https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-65505 Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:03:13 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-65505 @Michael: Agreed. Windows+ads won't be a Linux-killer for me because I left Windows for safety reasons, not just the fact that Linux is free. 🙂

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By: Amy Rose https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-65504 Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:58:29 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-65504 Wow. You have to love the irony though!

Yet another reason I love Kubuntu. 🙂

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By: Kelly https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-63680 Fri, 03 Aug 2007 07:18:40 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-63680 Helped me lot… thanks for such a informative article

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62192 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:01:41 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62192 @Michael- Fixed. I need a preview button, but haven't been able to find anything that I like for WordPress yet.

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By: Michael https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62185 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:27:29 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62185 Crap. Forgot to close a tag. Apologies for the meta-comment as well.

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By: Michael https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62183 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:24:24 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62183 A linux-killer? Yeah, I don't think so. Even if Windows were free, would that many people care? Businesses who still operate on MS systems will continue to purchase software to avoid their employees being inundated with ads.

Some end users will pay to make the continued barrage of advertising (which I'm sure will become increasingly noisy as people further tune them out) get out of their operating system.

Some will install open source operating systems as "the last straw."

And, some idiots will go, "A FREE OS? ZOMGWTF THAT IS SO C00L IT EVEN SAYS 'WINDOWS'!" not realizing that there are free (beer and speech) OSes.

@eric - Why does "something useful" need to be done with my files? Even if the information is sent and received anonymously, what if I have scripts to saucy puppet shows (as an example, insert your own adult-themed file contents) stored in a hidden folder? Then my children, upon wanting to surf to something kid-friendly, would be presented with (most likely) advertisements that are decidedly adult. Don't tell me "create different user accounts," because many end users simply don't know how to do that.

I'm aware that this goes into implementation details, and that "Microsoft would find a way" to prevent unintentional consequences, but how much do outside organizations really need to know about you before you decide it's enough? Like Aaron said, I'm not really alright with my PC churning spare cycles to literally mine my data for ad targeting.

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By: Jason https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62071 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:56:46 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62071 @Michael R. Head;

Ain't gonna happen.
Not any time soon.

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By: Simon https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62057 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:14:49 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62057 Thanks for posting this Aaron, it's a very interesting article. I do agree with Michael's assessment about this being the potential Linux killer (at least they'll try). Not sure about this being the Google killer, though. The Google Desktop search tool makes me uneasy since it could do the same thing, and it is worth noting it is not limited to the Windows OS as it runs on Mac and Linux.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62045 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:57:41 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62045 @eric- Brainwashed? Too close minded? Let's take a look at why Open Source Software is superior to proprietary software, and why community is better than vendor lockin. I'll summarize from UbuntuCat:

* Open source software costs the consumer little, if no cost at all. Sure, you can make money on Free and Open Source Software, but typically it's given away for free. If charged for the software, I can rest assured that I won't be charged $500 for an office suite. Rather, if charged, the cost is ususally for packaging, materials and shipping, with a bit of developer time and effort calculated. Open Source Software is like free checking at your bank. You can open the account for free, and use most, if not all services for free. Money is made on interest in loans. With Open Source Software, money can be made on commercial support. Proprietary software means paying money to use the bank, before even opening the account and agreeing to the checking terms.
* Open Source Software offers peace of mind. Because the source is open for all to see, those who are programmers can review the software making sure that no malware, spyware or other badware is inserted in the code. This means security, reliability and peace of mind. Trust me, I've installed my fair share of "freeware" and "shareware" back in my Windows days, and it always seemed that there were viruses, malware, or other badware on my system, just as UbuntuCat found. I have yet to receive anything of that nature on Linux using Open Source Software. The software is higher quality, just due to the nature of openness itself.
* Community support is prevalent. If you have a problem with a piece of software, you have a massive community at your fingertips to help you. This encourages relationships and growth. With proprietary software, I know of no such community. I have to turn to the vendor for support. Also, with Open Source Software, I have choices to use what program best fits my needs and productivity. Take ODF, for example. I can rely on ODF because I can open it and read it in any text editor, keeping me from relying on a certain vendor to open the file for me (DOC, XLS, PPT, etc.). It's just obvious that community is superior to vendor lockin.

Brainwashed? Close minded? I think you have it all wrong. Try enlightened or uplifted.

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By: erik https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62043 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:31:43 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62043 "why not try to build community and encourage innovation through open models and paradigms"

Where's the profit for doing that, especially adjusted with the risks associated? It doesn't exist, at least yet. Perhaps in 5-10 years it will.

I would warmly recommend this book for you, and all other open source zealots: Johnson D.G. Computer Ethics. 3. edition. Upper Saddle River (NJ): Prentice Hall. 2001. It contains good discussion about software patents, and how they can actually also greatly benefit the software industry and everyone involved. (I just fear that you are too close minded and simply too brainwashed to really read and attempt to understand the under lying principles...)

Oh, there's novelty in what Microsoft has come up with. It is not about "accessing all your files" but about actually making something useful about it. It will/would prove likely greatly harder to do than what Microsoft anticipates - yet another reason why we won't be seeing soon widely done. We might see some application testing it though... Likely something built for emerging markets.

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By: Anonymous https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62033 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:48:15 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62033 I'm surprised you're only up to #7 🙂

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By: Michael R. Head https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62029 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:29:16 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62029 You missed the point! This patent is about releasing a "Linux-killer" version of Windows that will be completely free to download and have all the features of windows, plus adware.

This is also meant as a Google killer so they can win over advertisers that so far just track what you're looking at in your web browser.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62028 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:24:25 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-62028 @Eric- So, if I understand you, you are saying that if they don't use the idea in their operating system, but someone else does, then they have the right to sue for patent infringement? Even a better business model!

Here's another thought. Rather than be so concerned about increasing your patent portfolio, and suing anyone who even looks wrongly at it, why not try to build community and encourage innovation through open models and paradigms. The fact that they need a larger portfolio of software patents "just in case" would easily be reason #8 why I don't run Windows. Software patents are inherently broken from the core as they stifle innovation and prevent creative thinking. Of course, this one is just stupid, but to each their own, I guess.

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By: Pensando en voz alta » Blog Archive » Microsoft patenta el mayor de los sistemas de anuncios https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-61988 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:01:02 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-61988 [...] razon mas para usar Linux como mi sistema operativo de preferencia, ya que como Aaron Toponce menciona en su blog, no quiero usar Windows por las siguientes [...]

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By: erik https://pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-61983 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:44:47 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/18/why-i-dont-run-windows-7/#comment-61983 The assumption that they would implement it or even consider it seriously for their products is all yours.

Patents are registered to protect potential ip, and this application of couple mixed ideas is (unlike many others) actually quite novel when you read it through. Companies register those patents just to be on safe side, and have often a lot of patents they might never actually put into use.

Perhaps they just patented it to protect the people from other companies that WOULD put that idea into use? Unlikely, but even possible.

Also, the patent leaves a lot of implementation details which would change it drastically open. For instance if the feature would be obligatory, and the customer would get something back for it, some people might want to actually use that feature. It can be also implemented in ways that are not really privacy invasive. Comparison: In many countries when you walk out of the shops at this moment there will be people waiting outside offering to buy.. Your shopping list.

Furthermore, you are using "this bad feature" as a reason not to use "XP or Vista". That is at least the image that one can get from that. But as XP and Vista don't have such feature, your argumentation is quite faulty. Furthermore there's nothing major to indicate that the version you'd be running Windows with such feature in 5+ years either.

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