Comments on: Why Dvorak? Comfort https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/ Linux. GNU. Freedom. Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:04:15 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0-alpha-42199 By: Ed Hou https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-99271 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:01:50 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-99271 I use Dvorak, and I have a simple solution for the shortcut keys. I just set the left Windows key to change layout when pressed; then Ctrl-Z is just Ctrl+Windows+Z. This is in the gnome keyboard options, but I'm sure it would be possible in KDE as well.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-83025 Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:47:07 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-83025 @JODEO- And don't forget http://dvzine.org. Great PDF covering it's history, advantages and more.

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By: JODEO https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-83023 Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:44:31 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-83023 Read more here.
http://www.dvorak-keyboard.com/

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-83006 Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:34:18 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-83006 Wow! What great feedback! Let's see if I can address the majority of these comments:

@Robert Barnes- As mentioned, just remove the -c to keep from counting the results, passing just -i instead.

@Paul Fee- Not a problem. Glad to be of service. 🙂

@gus- As mentioned, use ^ and $ to place the pattern match between the beginning and end of each word.

@Wolfger- That depends on your operating system. If you're running Ubuntu, so 'setxbkmap dvorak' will get you temporarily into the Dvorak layout, while 'setxkbmap us' will put you temporarily in QWERTY. Running Windows XP, I don't know off of the top of my head, but it's where you would change languages and regional settings I would imagine.

@bob- The azerty keyboard is a whole different beast, but not much different from QWERTY, I would expect. I should test...

@Trey- http://www.pthree.org/index.php?s=dvorak

@Henrik Pauli / Ralesk- You're referring to muscle memory. That's the whole point of learning a new layout- retraining muscle memory. As far as the statement "where they belong" referring to cut, copy, paste, undo, etc, that is merely opinion.

@Jake- Ctrl-Insert, Shift-Insert and Shift-Delete are all you ever need, regardless of layout.

@Alessandro Delgado- Dvorak is not the *most* optimal layout. I'm more than sure that others can be/have been designed. What is worth noting, is Dvorak is supported by all operating systems, and definitely superior to the broken QWERTY layout.

@Ukubuntu- Yeah, you need to change it in X with dpkg actually, if you want it system-wide. Also, see my comment directed to Jake.

@Fintan- Keep at it! You'll only get better through practice, not giving up. 🙂

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By: Ben2K https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82924 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:55:08 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82924 The Dvorak keyboard is great! I doubled my typing speed when using one. Unfortunately, having to switch between multiple keyboards on various systems in the course of a day, only one of which was Dvorak, was driving me nuts. Sadly conformity won 🙁

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By: Fintan https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82729 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:59:28 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82729 I tried switching to dvorak... but gave up after a few days... I did really try!! 🙁

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By: Ukubuntu https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82704 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:05:40 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82704 Very interesting Aaron. I have qwerty on desktop and dvorak on laptop. The most irritating issues I find are that initial login screen is in qwerty before changing to dvorak after login. That may just be an xorg.conf thing, not sure.

Secondly copy and paste shortcuts are not easy as C and V are well away from the ctrl key and mak it a two handed operation

Still the last laugh is that no one borrows my laptop for long 😀

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By: Alessandro Delgado https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82615 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:02:30 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82615 Apparently, my BR-Nativo keyboard, which is supposedly the best to write Brazillian Portuguese, and is the keymap I use, can write more words with the home row than the US Dvorak!

elros@blackpearl:~$ wc -l /usr/share/dict/words
98569 /usr/share/dict/words

elros@blackpearl:~$ egrep -ci ^[aoeuidhtns-]+$ /usr/share/dict/words
1969

elros@blackpearl:~$ egrep -ci ^[ieaoumdsrn]+$ /usr/share/dict/words
2419

I'm doing something wrong, ain't I? I mean, I gotta be! ;D, or else this is very weird!

By the way, to the Brazillian readers, it's important to notice that you can make on of these by just swiching the keys!

Read more at http://tecladobrasileiro.org/

(In pt-br)

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By: Jake https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82545 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:08:50 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82545 The good thing about the QWERTY keyboard is that the keyboard commands are where they need to be. For instance, Ctrl+X/C/V aren't as useful scattered about the keyboard.

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By: Henrik Pauli / Ralesk https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82499 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:56:15 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82499 Ah, Dvorak — for me the comfort comes from QWERTY: the comfort of the muscle memory, the comfort of things like Ctrl+[ZXCVQWAS] being where they belong (without having to fiddle around, which is, of course, very easy in KDE; though still would be a nuisance), the comfort of the programmers’ keys being in easy-to-reach places (except, say, # and $, which I never manage to hit on the first try — and I’m a Perlist. :P).

So, yeah… QWERTY is quite comfortable 😉

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By: Trey https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82493 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:35:23 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82493 Do have a blog posting explaining what you did to switch to Dvorak? What keyboard are you using? If you are using a standard keyboard, did you change the keys around?

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By: Nekohay’blog » Blog Archive » claviers Dvorak français https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82492 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:35:06 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82492 [...] de vos avis, chers lecteurs. Bien qu’il est généralement reconnu que le Dvorak est plus confortable et plus rapide d’utilisation, il est évidemment notoire que très peu de gens, spécialement [...]

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By: bob https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82491 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:34:34 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82491 I'm not sure if it really makes sense.. :p

the row you are using doesnt really show anything
e.g. on my azerty keyboard here are the most accessible keys:

qzsdjiklm

but the row would be
sqdfghjklm

however the middle keys of that row are not very accessible and i need to extend my fingers to type them.

well the azerty keyboard is actually a lil better designer than qwerty anyway ;p

I tried dvorak for a while and the benefit wasnt worth it, especially when every other keyboard you are using are not dvorak, thus u need to change the mapping etc (and to know the keys by hearth of course - i'm typing on an italian keyboard all day with azerty mapping without any trouble tho.)

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By: John Doe https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82482 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:09:23 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82482 @gus: the problem is that you are missing the "^", "$" and "'" symbols.
The expression would be like this: ^(a|s|d|f|g|h|j|k|l|\;|')+$

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By: Wolfger https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82466 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:18:27 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82466 So what's the easiest way for somebody to change their Qwerty to a Dvorak in a non-permanent way, to try it out? And will trying it out totally ruin my at-work typing skills?

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By: Asa https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82462 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:05:18 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82462 @gus
those commands just pull a list of words that contain letters from the home row. if you add --color to your command and remove the c flag you can see what you're actually matching.

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By: gus https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82457 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:44:20 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82457 Hmm it dosent make sense, just open the file and you will see, the values are too low for me, in the other hand something like this makes more sense for me,

gus@theripper:~$ egrep -ci "(a|s|d|f|g|h|j|k|l|\;)+" /usr/share/dict/words
95952
gus@theripper:~$ egrep -ci "(a|o|e|u|i|d|h|t|n|s\-)+" /usr/share/dict/words
98399
gus@theripper:~$

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By: Jonathan Lozinski https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82454 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:38:26 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82454 Paul Fee

The QWERTY words aren’t very interesting...

I'm from Alaska you insensitive clod.😉

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By: Paul Fee https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82450 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:17:42 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82450 Yes, simply omit the -c flag, e.g.

egrep -i ^[aoeuidhtns-]+$ /usr/share/dict/words

The QWERTY words aren't very interesting, however there are lots of useful entries in the Dvorak search.

A good experiment, thanks Aaron.

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By: Asa https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82449 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:16:39 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82449 Just remove the c from the command.
egrep -i ^[asdfghjkl\;\']+$ /usr/share/dict/words

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By: Robert Barnes https://pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82447 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:02:29 +0000 http://www.pthree.org/2007/12/06/why-dvorak-comfort/#comment-82447 Is there a way to display a list of the possible words? I'd like to see how many 'useful' words can be produced using 'asdfghjkl'...

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