Comments on: Top Four Alternatives To Ubuntu Linux https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/ Linux. GNU. Freedom. Tue, 31 Oct 2017 18:00:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0-alpha-42127 By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-110803 Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:44:29 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-110803 I listed the reasons why I chose Fedora as high as I did. Fedora is a solid operating system designed for system administrators. As you mentioned, it's a playground for all things RHEL, so you get a sneak peek so to speak (see what I did there?) on how to properly administrate the next version of RHEL when it releases.

Arguments for openSUSE can be many. It's largely based on much more stable software, but as a result, the software is much older too. You don't get the bleeding edge stuff. The team has been spending its entire time focusing on the desktop. It's engineered very well, and has a robust nature about it that some distros lack. In fact, I would likely run openSUSE as my desktop before running Fedora, because Fedora doesn't seem to care much for their desktop.

But, overall, Debian is still my choice. I do run it as my desktop, server and on my laptop and netbook. It's well suited for the desktop. It's well suited for laptops and netbooks. It's well suited for servers. Debian accomplishes everything important for me. And, if you're already familiar with Ubuntu, you'll likely feel at home with Debian.

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By: deta https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-110802 Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:58:55 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-110802 I want to switch from Ubuntu because of a bunch of new bugs every release. 9.04 was good, but 9.10 was a diseaster, and I believe they'll ship that load of bugs in 10.04 too.

Why Fedora is on the list, I don't know: it's a debug playground for RH enterprise, in other words just the same buggy stuff in RPM.

Any strong reasons for openSUSE?

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By: Shannon https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109517 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:32:18 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109517 Aaron, I have to say that while unlike some here I am not angered by your comments about PCLinuxOS (which I have been using for almost 6 years now), you do make yourself look foolish with what you say.

First of all, you're going on pure hearsay (what your students, etc. told you). Then you're making assumptions (which don't hold up - that Mandriva and PCLinuxOS are the same thing). After that you state that PCLinuxOS isn't very stable, which couldn't be further from the truth - and then you say that it's "run of the mill" and ask what it has that no other Linux distro has, thus demonstrating faulty logic. (Implying that "A Linux distro ois run of the mill if it does not offer something unique", which by the way would CERTAINLY brand Ubuntu as run-of-the-mill.) Finally you demand to have someone else prove to you that PCLinuxOS is worth something.

No. If you want to know about a distro, you download it, you burn it, and YOU TRY IT. YOU have the burden of proving you're not a fool for posting opinions based on hearsay. YOU have the burden of proving we should listen to anything you say after making such a bunch of ridiculous statements. YOU have the burden of proof that anything you have said about PCLOS is true! We, apparently, all know better.

I have tried Ubuntu, even though my first efforts with it turned me off enough for me to decide it was garbage, back in 2006 I think it was. But I didn't stop there - I tried it again, nd again, and again as new releases came out. I have used Ubuntu as my sole operating system, and I have put it through it's paces - and I can tell you that Ubuntu can't hold a candle to PCLOS except for having more users, a bigger budget and more packages available (many of which don't work).

I have "tried them all" and more than once, and I keep coming back to PCLinuxOS because for most hardware it "just works" (running it from PCLinuxOS 2009 "Big Update" on a laptop right now, by the way... and I'm here to tell you it runs my laptop better than Vista does in almost every direction). That, and because it's stable as hell, and because the dev team focuses on quality and getting it right over everything else - which is why we all waited patiently for almost a year for the updates to 2009. No updates for months while a small team worked diligently, and nobody had any problems, because they do such a good job.

Updates and upgrades almost never break anything... I just reinstalled today for the first time since 2007, and was unable to break the install with all those rolling updates. Ubuntu has never been able to last more than a few weeks on my macines without self destructing. It reminds me a lot of Windows in that regard, actually, but I know that doesn't happen for everyone.

Anyway, next time, you should talk about what you are knowledgeable about, not what you have hearsay about.

And by the way, who cares if Mandriva doesn't know what it's doing as a company? Mandriva Linux still beats the pants off most other distros I have tried.

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By: Windtalker https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109511 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:21:12 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109511 As I state later here in the the thread, if it's an English based distro and listed on Distrowatch, I've very probably installed and ran it at some point in time.
You show you're running Ubuntu and say so.
I'm typing this from Arch which I've ran for off and on around two years.
I've ran various flavors of the 'buntu's, with little success.
I've ran PCLOS as my main for around 2 years as well.
There are 5 pc's in my home, 3 of which I use for my needs/wants/whims, so don't hold your breath on what will be on two of them tomorrow.
My going in a circle stab at a point here is, I'm speaking from experience and you admit you aren't regarding stability between whatever flavor of Ubuntu you choose and PCLOS.
Ubuntu, pick a flavor, does fine with my hardware, yet every single time I've ran it, it was busted within six months from an update.
Imagine that, a six month release cycle and my system is busted within six months.
Why?
Because Ubuntu has a deadline to meet.
With PCLOS, updates seldom hurt me and if the did, it was easily rectified, with the exception of my printer/scanner to be totally fair.
Few people who have a printer/scanner and use Linux DON'T have a problem at some point in time no matter what they run.
What's the difference?
PCLOS has no deadline and they aren't bashful about telling users, "we'll release it when we know it's ready to be released and not before then."
Don't let others tell you what's good and what isn't.
Make your own mind up by finding out yourself.
An experienced Linux user should already know this as an experienced Linux user would know, no two users will have identical needs and hardware.
As an aside, I just recently purchased a new pc.
Dual core processor, sata hd and an Nvidia card.
It took a week to find a Linux system that was compatible with the hardware.
"Instability" may be an excuse for a users ignorance of Linux.
Dunno who said it but there was also a statement somewhere along the lines that it's hard to configure PCLOS.
Hogwash.
It's Linux,,, it's configurable.
No one did like Bill did and wave a magic EULA wand over it and chant the mystical words,"Thall shalt not reconfigure over the .iso."
End of subject.

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By: Nenad Radulovic https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109510 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:56:01 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109510 I pretty much agree on your list, nice one!

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By: Windtalker https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109509 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:09:57 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109509 Saw your posts in the PCLOS forum and now understand your original intent so here goes...
I only have 3 top picks, 2 Linux and 1 BSD for various reasons.
ARCH, PCLinuxOS and DesktopBSD.
I use ARCH because it's the friendliest to my hardware, it's reliable and gives me not only what I need, but what I want in a Desktop.
I use the KDEMod3.5 desktop with that distro.
The only drawback to ARCH is unless you have experience enough behind you, you may not be able to get it installed properly without help.
With PCLinuxOS, it's pretty much the easiest distro to install, it's reliable, there is more than enough packages for my wants/needs and there is always someone around to help fix a snafu without the arrogance I find in some forums.
The only hardware issue is my printer/scanner.
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
I'll either use PCLinuxOS Main which is KDE or MiniMe, which is also KDE.
I like DesktopBSD because it also has the KDE Desktop.
It's reliability would be hard to rival and there is pretty much any conceivable package anyone could want,,,, except a decent Flash.
Flash and the learning curve is the only drawback I've ever found for DesktopBSD.
If they ever get decent Flash, I would very probably use DesktopBSD full time.
I'm not going to name other distro's but my reasons for not using them are varied.
They range from my not caring for Gnome to having to reinstall to upgrade or breakage from updates be they auto-updates or manual updates.
I've also installed systems that just didn't like my hardware.
If there is an English version of a Desktop Linux distro listed on Distrowatch,,,, I've very probably installed and ran it at some point in time, provided it was free of course.

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By: parnote https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109506 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:32:50 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109506 Your assertions about PCLinuxOS 2007 on laptops is just flat out "nucking futz." I've installed PCLinuxOS on a dozen or so laptops, and have found it to be far superior and far more stable when compared with ANY *buntu derivative. While it's true that laptops pose a special category of problems for Linux, they are problems for Linux as a whole (wireless (blame the wireless mfgr's for not releasing open source drivers) and hibernation).

You rely on reports from "students of mine?" That implies that you are in a position of an educator. As an educator, you should know best to do your OWN research. Any educator who relies only on the words and testimony of his/her students, isn't much of an educator. You should, by any and all accounts, try PCLinuxOS for yourself. Only then can you be in a position to make the misguided and mistaken observations you have made against (IMHO) the best and most stable Linux distro in existence.

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By: bones113 https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109505 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:31:20 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109505 Well said crow. An excellent suggestion.

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By: Crow https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109503 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:14:17 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109503 By the way, you're always welcome to the PCLOS forums, people is very friendly. PCLinuxOS 2009 is near, wait and give it a try, you may find that's good for you.

Good luck

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By: bones113 https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109502 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:14:03 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109502 Man. Where to start. Your statement saying that PCLinuxOs is a run of the mill distro and that it is not stable is based on comments of a few people who may or may not have tried it to it's fullest extent and those comments are also based on assuming that the comments of those few were correct. Well you know what they say about assuming don't you?. PCLinuxOS is among the most stable of all desktop based distro's. Bar none. I find ubuntu to be among the most unstable of all the distro's I have tried (and I have tried them all). I base this on actual usage and not on hearsay and comments from others like you did. That in itself represents a half hearted attempt to either start a flame war or it shows complete disdane for other people's hard work. I find it really no more than your personal opinion based on non factual assumption. If people like ubuntu then more power to them. If they like PCLinuxOS then that is fine also. It is linux isn't it?. After all isn't that the most important thing?. You should be ashamed of your self. Let people use what they want to and stop trying to shoot other distro's down based on pure B.S. Here is another idea....Don't write on a subject that you either no nothing about or have not even experienced. It makes you look like a total fool. When the new 2009 release of PCLinuxOS comes out why don't you give it a go. You might be suprise. Go ahead. I dare you.

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By: Crow https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109501 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:07:18 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109501 - WOW Aaron, your critics on the Mandriva business model are awesome. Do you have a better business than Mandriva? I don't think so.

- Brooko gave a link to support what he is saying, where is your support?

- "show me what PCLinuxOS has brought to the table" What do you brought to the table? (aside of rants)

- I had Kubuntu for a year and it had many problems, fortunately I found PCLOS and has been my distro of choice for two years now, want to make a critic? it's not cuting edge, it don't have the last packages, but is the most stable distro out there.

- You're talking without knowledge, I'm sure you never installed PCLinuxOS, but what am I saying? you said that already "Students of mine telling me of the instability on laptops as well as reading mailing list and and forums posts"

- Do you want Debian without troubles? use SimplyMEPIS, Ubuntu is ustable by definition, do you knew that is based on Debian unstable?

Nikkels is right "Next time you have a sleepness night, take a sleeping pill, instead writing rubbish as you did" no it do not "add a lot to the conversation" but it could be usefull for you.

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By: Don Zeigler https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109498 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:21:05 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109498 How can you pass judgment on a distro that you've never attempted to run? I've got news for you, a quick check of the Linux Mint forums, or the Ubuntu forums, of the forums of any major distro is going to demonstrate that people are having problems with that particular one. The current release of Linux Mint has a major Flash bugaboo, for example.

I currently use Ubuntu but have used PCLinuxOS for several years, and plan to install the new release on at least one home machine. It's ANYTHING but unstable.

Speaking of which, "unstable" is a pretty broad term. What specific problems did your buddies have with it?

In parting, here's a clue: when you write reviews in the future, try actually running the distro, so you don't appear to be a complete idiot.

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By: Boycott Novell » Novell News Summary - Part I: OpenSUSE and SLE* https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109497 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:45:49 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109497 [...] another newer post, OpenSUSE is listed not as a primary alternative to what the writer perceives as GNU/Linux leader on the desktop. The first choice, openSUSE (it’s not “openSuSE”), wouldn’t be my first pick- maybe second [...]

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By: lynx https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109496 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:40:26 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109496 PCLOS is neither the most stable distro, nor the most easily configurable, but provides a good combination of the above with a rolling upgrade philosophy.
I believe it is one of the best meta-distros out there if not the best.

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By: drakshug https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109494 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:16:02 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109494 I didn't see anyone taking issue with the run of the mill distro comment so why bring that up. Your article didn't specifically mention pclos contributions and as I'm not a pclos dev I can't tell you what they have contributed back to the kernel.
However....doesn't every decent distro contribute something to Linux just by delivering a good user experience?
All this, my distro is better than yours stuff isn't helping anyone and, before you reply, take note that I have not said that pclos is better but that it deserves a fair hearing.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109492 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:20:31 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109492 Uh, no. I came into Linux from Sun Solaris 8. I was a Solaris administrator of 2 servers and about 30 Solaris workstations. I wanted to put Solaris on my then laptop. This was back in 1998. A friend convinced me to run Slackware instead, and I've been running Linux since, mostly of the Debian variety, although I've run Mandrake (when it was Mandrake), SuSE (before Novell purchased them), Fedora, Red Hat (before RHEL released), and many others. I joined the Ubuntu community when 'Warty Warthog' 4.10 released, coming from Debian, and I've been with Ubuntu since. My last job, I taught system administrators for a living, teaching RHEL and SLES courses. Now, I'm a RHEL, Solaris and HP-UX system administrator, in charge of about 40 servers.

Now, the burden of proof is on you: show me what PCLinuxOS has brought to the table, that no other Linux distro has. What makes PCLinuxOS above par? What makes it stand out from the others? Where is the innovation? Convince me that PCLinuxOS isn't a run-of-the-mill distro.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109491 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:16:27 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109491 Yes, and I'm glad the PCLOS, Debian, Linux Mint, and other community based distributions are doing well. It means overall growth for the Linux ecosystem in general.

I disagree with your comment about the Ubuntu community driving flame wars. I would reword that, stating the flame wars come out of anyone seriously passionate about a technology, especially in our arena. I hope this post doesn't come across as a flame war, but merely educational. I found a couple of his posts misplaced, and commented on them. Flame wars come about when logic and reason are set aside, and emotion enters. I hope I've kept emotion out of the post.

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By: Windtalker https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109490 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:18:01 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109490 PCLinuxOS isn't on a par with Ubuntu?
Nothing special?
Let me guess,,, you discovered Linux the same way a certain young lady did not long ago.
You got a new Dell and don't know squat about the alien operating system on it or how it got ordered that way.
Your blog has the distinctive stink of fanboy written all over it.
You may wish to consider actually educating yourself on a topic before commenting on said topic.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109489 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:13:07 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109489 I may give it a try sometime. I admit my concern might be hearsay, but I've heard and read it enough to comment on it.

Also, laptops have their issues, no doubt. I know I've had my share. However, in my personal experience (yes, I've run these natively on my laptops), openSUSE, Fedora and Debian were all rock solid stable, where Mandriva and Slackware weren't.

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By: Brooko https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109488 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:36:25 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109488 "I have no personal experience with it, only read and heard from others"

You might want to at least try it then - even in a VM - then make a judgement call? Making comments like you've made re PCLOS stability (and I don't use it but I have tried it) - does nothing for your credibility.

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By: Brooko https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109487 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:33:06 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109487 Yep - cute yourself. Adam called you on a couple of comments & then your reply started "No, it’s not flat wrong" followed by "we don’t know if Canonical has made a profit or not". I think it's blatantly obvious that if Mark's still bankrolling it, then it's not running a profit yet. I have no doubts it will - Ubuntu is a good distro (not my cup of tea, but each to their own).
The reason I posted was because of the inference from you that the 10m had not been touched, that it was self supporting etc. Adam was right in his post - you should acknowledge the fact. Sign of the bigger man and all that .....
Of course it's your blog - so do what you want.

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By: Gemini https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109486 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:16:21 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109486 The biggest fact of this matter, would be to point out that since Ubuntu is a heavily, corporately, financially backed distro, so... it should be far, far ahead of most as development goes.... but, it's not. PCLinuxOS and others have been giving them a run for their money for quite some time now... without any backing, but from users.
I hate seeing any of this "that distro is better than that one" flame wars among the Linux community... and I have noticed, it has been mostly ubuntu users as the ones initiating these types of wars for a while now. This is why many in the community don't really care for ubuntu users... it's not the OS we don't like ubuntu is a decent OS... it's the majority of it's obnoxious users that is the problem.

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By: drakshug https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109485 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:58:57 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109485 Can't say I've noticed posts on the pclos forum with regard to stability.
As for laptops, show me a distro that has no problems with laptops. They are notorious for wireless and hibernation problems across the board. I still feel it is unmerited criticism. Maybe you should bung pclos on a spare partition and try it yourself. You may be pleasantly surprised.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109484 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:49:41 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109484 Students of mine telling me of the instability on laptops as well as reading mailing list and and forums posts.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109483 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:47:30 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109483 I never said Canonical is turning a profit. Re-read my comment. I said Canonical is bringing in a $30 million per annum revenue. This is documented. Revenue does not always equate to profit.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109482 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:46:04 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109482 Interesting comment. Sure does add a lot to the conversation. So, mind expanding your comment a bit on what is rubbish?

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109481 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:45:17 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109481 I'm not wasting aynone's time other than myself. You don't have to read this "tripe" if it bothers you so. Further, you don't have to comment.

Also, I always find it entertaining that people think the LDS church is a cult. However, I'm not cutting the legs out of PCLOS. I mentioned it in a critical, non-emotional manner, giving it fair review. I've read on mailing lists, forums posts and even had a few students of mine mention the instability of PCLOS. I've personally run Mandriva, and didn't care for the OS much. It just didn't bring anything to the table in the way of innovation or something new. It was just a standard run-of-the-mill Linux based OS, and PCLOS is no different.

I've heard great things about Arch and Sabayon both. In fact, I've got Arch installed in a VM, so I can see how that distro operates. I've got 3 friends running Arch, and all recommend it over Ubuntu. So, I'm giving it a shot. Also, I've heard good things about Sabayon, that it's "Gentoo done right". I would be interested in giving that a test drive as well.

But no need for the hate.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109480 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:37:55 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109480 I've had a couple contacts that couldn't keep PCLOS running well on laptops. They ended up switching to another distro. I've also read plenty of posts on mailing lists and forums about the the instability of PCLOS. I have no personal experience with it, only read and heard from others.

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By: Brooko https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109478 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:32:42 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109478 Actually Aaron, perhaps a little more time on Google would help then ....
As recent as Oct 2008, Mark said in an interview that "he is prepared to bankroll the company for three to five more years". Also "Canonical Ltd., the commercial backer of the Ubuntu Linux operating system, is not yet turning a profit". Here's the link - and this is one of many on the subject ... http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9118198&source=rss_topic122 - I'd suggest a little more research might be in order.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Canonical, Mark or Ubuntu - but if you're going to blog on something, and then refute other's comments - it might just pay to get a little more informed.

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By: drakshug https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109477 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:11:00 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109477 What do you base your assumption that pclos is unstable?
My comps using it have no issues. Also it is diverging from mandy and it is not advisable to use mandy packages on pclos.
With all due respect, your piece just comes across as ubuntu fanboyism with no hard facts to justify your sweeping statements. I'd like to see you back up your claims to the stability of pclos 2007 insofar that stability doesn't seem to be an issue for pclos users.

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By: Nikkels https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109476 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:53:45 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109476 Next time you have a sleepness night, take a sleeping pill, instead writing rubbish as you did

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By: Shylan https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109474 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:41:35 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109474 "I can’t sleep, so what do I do? Hit the Google Machine, and begin wasting time,..."

I think you should take sedatives instead of wasting people's time with this tripe.

As a self-confessed Ubuntu fanboy and cult member(LDS) it's not surprising that you would try to cut the legs out from under the distro that had Ubuntu knocked off the top spot of distrowatch for months. I've tried to run many flavours of *buntu and given them fair testing but overall they come up lacking.

Mandriva (the OS) buries *buntu, so does Arch and Sabayon.

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By: Hawkeye https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109471 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:17:00 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109471 My top four:

1. PCLinuxOS -- Unstable? Where exactly have you been. Although the distro hasn't had a major upgrade in about a year and a half, it has been running on one of my desktops flawlessly for over 3 years. The repositories are virtually unbreakable -- one of it's high point features. Its administrative management facility, PCC, is a major improvement over its forebearer, Mandriva, and some variant of it is found in all up-and-coming 'user friendly' OSs. It has slowed down because its founder, Texstar, has been away from the distro for several months, due to personal issues. As a sign of its internal strength, the volunteer devs just finished a major upgrade, where approximately 1400 apps were updated and/or added, through an automated, multi-step process orchestrated through Synaptic. Take a closer look, after you have your reading glasses and outlook brought up to date.
2. simplyMEPIS -- debian done for the common person. An under-appreciated distro that has a nice set of custom admin tools, and an unbeatable users forum, http://www.mepislovers.org/forums/index.php. They are in the process of upgrading there distro with Lenny, and at RC2, I would consider it stable enough for production use. It, too, has an absentee owner/leader, who spends most of his time on the road, making a living as a computer consultant, and rolling code at night and on weekends. A real keeper for anyone who wants the strength of debian in an accessible format, with Forum Moderators who refuse to insult noobies with a RTFM attitude.
3. Sabayon -- A fast rising distro that is making Gentoo accessible to the masses. The distro is slick, well organized, responsive, and visionary. There are two versions of Sabayon 4 -- depending on a person's needs and preferences. Their custom designed package manager keeps end users from grinding through the Gentoo build process by providing pre-packaged apps through their repositories.
4. PC/OS -- a very new distro that is climbing the Distrowatch ladder quickly. Its trademarks are a) an XFCE window manager, with the default look of the old BeOS OS, b) founded on Ubuntu repositories, c) a commitment to provide 'out of the box' use of all those codecs and libraries that make surfing the internet an easy, enjoyable experience, d) a strong dedication to incorporating user wants and needs to both current and future offerings (for a small distro, they do A LOT of user group testing rather than beta distros to test what they are going to do), and e) the ability to use either 'free' or purchased versions of the OS, depending on your needs. A distro that deserves consideration and attention.

As for Fedora and openSUSE, I find those offerings 'over-processed'. To look at their websites and forums is an exercise in confusing complexity; it almost looks like they have so many people working on the distro, they must find something for them to do. There is something uncomfortably 'Microsoftian' about what they offer. I have used them both, as a matter of fact, my first distro was openSUSE, when you could buy a packaged copy at the now defunct compUSA. Using Fedora and openSUSE were object lessons in what the term 'dependency hell' means; they may have derivative distros that belong on the 'top four' list, but Mama and Popa bear don't belong there.

From one who politely but firmly disagree with your selections and rationale.

Hawkeye

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109462 Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:24:35 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109462 No, it's not flat wrong. Mark Shuttleworth set aside $10 million as an emergency fund, if needed. From what I have been told, it has not been accessed. I don't have citation for this, nor am I a Canonical employee, but I've heard from those close to the source that this is still the case.

Further, spending just 10 seconds on Google, shows an article on Wikipedia about the annual revenue of Canonical. What's the revenue? $30 million.

Lastly, we don't know if Canonical has made a profit or not. Those numbers haven't been reported to us. All we know is the money that is coming in, is $30 mill. Not on par with Red Hat or Novell by any means, but not bad for 4 years of business, don't you think?

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By: Tomislav Ruzicic https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109461 Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:59:49 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109461 Yes, I agree. PCLOS is great distro, easy and inituitive for a beginner. In my opinion (and experience), far better than *buntu. I've used it for one year, and was satisfied.
Swiched to Slack for programming reasons...

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By: Ed Berntsen https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109458 Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:31:23 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109458 Why bashing on PCLinuxOS ?? its working stable since the release date in 2007, still happy with it.
Tried Kubuntu, after two days a big delete,
OpenSolaris, I can't get it installed.
I think it is me
but: everyone who is happy with another distro, go for it.
Now I did a Big Update on PCLos, still happy......

Happy Linuxer,
Ed

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By: Adam Williamson https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109454 Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:26:11 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109454 I'm cautious to revive this old chestnut, but I can't let that go unchallenged.

"The money Mark Shuttleworth put into Canonical, is an emergency fund, if needed. It hasn’t been dipped into yet. Also, Canonical makes a cool $30 million annually from support contracts and OEM."

This is just flat wrong. Shuttleworth's input is not an 'emergency fund', it's the money Canonical lives on. Yes, they have income - though as far as I'm aware they've never made any numbers public, and you just pulled $30m out of the air (if not, please do cite the source) - but their expenses are higher. Canonical has not yet made a profit, something Shuttleworth has said repeatedly in public. It runs at a loss, which is funded by Shuttleworth's input. None of this is in dispute, it's all been publicly stated by Mark.

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By: Rambo Tribble https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109453 Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:22:11 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109453 Whether by expanding the list to five, or bumping one of the aforementioned distros off, Sabayon should be mentioned in any serious consideration of the Linux desktop.

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By: Zac https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109451 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:39:21 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109451 I think Ubuntu has been really good for Debian. If I didn't start using Ubuntu I would of probably tried a RPM based distro, hmmm....I wonder if many people would of done the same. I like my Ubuntu, so if it no longer existed, I would go with fedora, opensuse, debian. But, I really want something that has goal of tackling Microsoft's dominance on the desktop. This is one of the main reasons I use Linux, so it is a big factor for me. Nevertheless, any of the distros mentioned on this page are fantastic.

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By: Debianero https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109450 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:19:07 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109450 My options are Debian 32 bits, Debian 64 bits, Debian ... 😉

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By: daniele https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109449 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:01:19 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109449 I agree with you 😉

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109448 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:19:35 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109448 I would comment on Gentoo, if their developers weren't driving the distribution into the ground. When Daniel Robbins left the project in 2005, it's been going straight down hill since. I love Gentoo, and would love to see it succeed however. I hope the developers can get some of the knots worked out. Now, Sabayon is a desktop I could get behind.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109447 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:16:24 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109447 That's cute.

The money Mark Shuttleworth put into Canonical, is an emergency fund, if needed. It hasn't been dipped into yet. Also, Canonical makes a cool $30 million annually from support contracts and OEM.

As far as Mandriva is concerned, they don't know which direction they're headed as a company, and they're struggling to get users behind them. They're solid in France and parts of Europe, but that's about it, and it's dwindling as it is.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109446 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:13:58 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109446 Foresight is good, but not quite there yet to be recommended as a desktop operating system. They also have stability problems, due to over patching everything to make everything else work.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109445 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:12:54 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109445 Yeah, it's not the non-free. It's the fact that Mandriva doesn't know the direction they're headed. Also, PCLinuxOS isn't a stable distro, Linux Mint is.

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By: makosol https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109444 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:42:06 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109444 "PCLinuxOS is based on Mandriva, the company with a failing business model"
So, what is Ubuntu's (or rather Canonical's) business model ? receiving money from Mark Shuttleworth ?

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By: Jim Campbell https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109443 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:28:02 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109443 Foresight Linux is a solid distro, too. Stable, up-to-date, and very user-friendly (particularly because it is a rolling release).

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By: nixternal https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109442 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:57:31 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109442 Dude, shoot down my last reply, I am blind or can't read, or both. You said Mandriva is the bad thing there and not the non-free :p

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By: nixternal https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109441 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:55:16 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109441 One question, how do you pick Linux Mint and not PC Linux OS? You kind of shot down PCLOS because of the non-free stuff, but Linux Mint does the same thing and you say it was a good choice because it concentrates on usability. If that is the case, then doesn't PCLOS do the same?

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By: Markus https://pthree.org/2009/01/31/top-four-alternatives-to-ubuntu-linux/#comment-109440 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:42:14 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=885#comment-109440 My top 5 are
1. Kubuntu
2. Fedora
3. Arch
4. openSuSE
5. Gentoo

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