Comments on: Chromium Removing http:// https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/ Linux. GNU. Freedom. Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:42:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9-alpha-41547 By: Gerald Scheuerman https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-111377 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:03:20 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-111377 I don't agree that showing the protocol is 'ugly'. I think the solution is to have a switch to allow developers who have to use browsers as tools of their trade versus 'neophytes' that don't know the difference between a search engine and a browser.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110993 Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:27:40 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110993 Yeah, that's WordPress for you. 🙂

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By: Andy Waddington https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110992 Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:46:50 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110992 and oh look, this site does the opposite - because I typed an address starting with www, it has inserted an http:// and made it a link (to a completely false domain name, as I saw no need to use the real one). Why can't software respect the idea that people type what they want and if it's wrong they can correct it themselves ?

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By: Andy Waddington https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110991 Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:44:46 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110991 It should be a user-choosable option, like choosing to use the window manager's title bar, or having middle-click open a new window not a new tab.

Copy-and-paste by highlight then middle-click is important. We do it without actually looking to see what is inserted, because we expect it to work - it always has.

And the suggestion that the "www." is equally redundant is laughable. http://www.mydomain... is a fast webserver hosted by my ISP, whilst mydomain is my own server on the end of my ADSL line (with 2 Tb of storage, but a slow pipe to the net). They are different machines at different addresses - that's not uncommon.

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By: tokland https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110926 Sat, 29 May 2010 14:18:32 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110926 @Daviey and others. As you probably know, GNU/Linux has more than one selection. The normal clipboard works fine, but the primary selection (the one you just select text with your mouse) is not processed by the application, so after this change you get a wrong link.

Objectively this "feature" breaks a very usual copy/pasting method for GNU/Linux users. If Chromium developers care or care not, it's another matter. According to the opened issues report, they don't.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110841 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 04:12:22 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110841 No, it's not the same as https://. HTTPS is not the default protocol of the browser. HTTP is.

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By: mathew https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110840 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 00:20:04 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110840 Exactly the same arguments apply to https://

I opened a bug, but it got closed as WONTFIX.

The average user doesn't care about the path either, let alone the query string or fragment identifier. The omnibar should just show "cnn.com", "ebay.com" etc. Then you can either make the entire URL show up when the cursor enters the omnibar, or have a preference somewhere to make it show the whole URL always, and everyone will be happy.

(Also, your OpenID authentication failed with "No matching endpoint", whatever that means.)

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By: Marco Trevisan https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110828 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:54:23 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110828 I can confirm... Copying prepends the http://, I like this.

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By: Daviey https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110827 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:52:26 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110827 Copy (both types) and paste worked exactly as it should, perpending http://.. So there is no issue. :/

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110825 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:30:28 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110825 @Mez As mentioned, that's a regression. A future build will add the "http://" to the clipboard web object for pasting. This wget, shouldn't break. As it sits, I have Google Chrome 5.0.375.9 dev, and this behavior works.

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By: Huygens https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110824 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:54:52 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110824 @Mez and others here:
If you are geek enough to use wget or develop web sites, then you are clever enough to add the http://

I also welcome the change. The http/https/ftp/etc. are internal specification that are not necessary for the humans. Those are necessary for interface between application layers and different applications.
Therefore, this change will break a few apps, but those few apps were probably in need of a better UI in the first place.

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By: Kenneth Christiansen https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110823 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:53:47 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110823 You can internally store the http:// so that copying http://www.google.com will actually copy http:// as well, thus solving the problems with copy and paste. A similar technique has been used by IMs, who might replace ":-)" with an image, but still make the copy contain the ":-)".

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By: antistress https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110821 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:01:25 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110821 This articles has convinced me

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By: Mez https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110820 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:15:47 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110820 Now try copying the URL to use with something like wget, or to use in HTML for another page... Accidentally forget that you need to manually add it in.

Oh, damn, it broke my download/website.

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By: Simon https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110819 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:51:28 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110819 I welcome this change as well. Many times I see inexperienced people typing web address before http:// or deleting one slash and then become confused when their web page doesn't open. It was silly to display this in the first place I think.

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By: David https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110818 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:33:40 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110818 I think people’s eyes naturally gravitate towards the protocol-less location bar due to the location bar’s modality. It has too modes: an editing mode for choosing the next URL to go to, and a status mode for displaying the current mode. These two modes are generally not well-differentiated by browsers, so we rely on certain clues to tell us what that mode is. One of those clues is the display of the protocol, which is more likely to be displayed by the browser than input by the user. Thus, due to this learned behaviour, when people now see the current URL, they get confused, though they may not immediately realize why. It just looks like someone has input something in the location bar, and you feel like you need to reset it, even if you know that you don’t.

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By: Neriman https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110817 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:21:36 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110817 Very clever, very smart decision. It should be done ten years ago!

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By: Michael https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110816 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:00:21 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110816 If anyone wants to complain about the removal of this then they should also request that the port number is displayed and index.html.

We would see http://www.google.com:80/index.html instead of http://www.google.com

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By: simc https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110814 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:43:18 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110814 This is just stupid, and too much hassle, bringing new bugs and inconsistency (i see and select/copy one thing, and paste another) with _no_ real benefits at all.

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By: Brandon Jones https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110813 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:28:17 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110813 I find it funny how someone is able to oh i don't know accept something that is different and actually mention reasons why the change was made. This is generally how it is supposed to go. I wonder why something like this was not done when ubuntu lucid's default window button position was changed. Hmm...

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By: Kurt Kraut https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110812 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:00:19 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110812 "It breaks other applications with copy and paste"

Well, I did the following test:

1) Copied pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/ (without the http:// at the begining)
2) Pasted it into a Pidgin conversation

And voilá! It wasn't rendered/recognized as a link. I think it will be pretty hard for applications like e-mail clients and IM clients to be able recognize an URL without the http:// or www at the begining even with new source code implementations.

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By: ScottK https://pthree.org/2010/04/18/chromium-removing-http/#comment-110811 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 04:14:02 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1356#comment-110811 Coincidentally, I just tried chromium for the first time today and liked it. It wasn't a version that had this "improvement". I really dislike this arrogant tossing away of years of common user interface for trivial reasons. I guess it's a good thing I'm not used to chromium yet.

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