Comments on: Breakfast, Anyone? https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/ Linux. GNU. Freedom. Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:42:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9-alpha-41547 By: eggs&bacon https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/#comment-111013 Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:59:32 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1411#comment-111013 I don’t care what you had for breakfast and I don’t have a Facebook account either. Why? Like you said: "I’m likely not interested in your opinion anyway." so why should I?

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By: Aspie https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/#comment-111011 Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:21:55 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1411#comment-111011 Again, you are perhaps overly harsh with a statement like "I’m addressing the intentionally ignorant and naive. Are you intentionally ignorant and naive?"

To my colleagues I am sure that is exactly how I appear - I have never, and probably will never, ask for any workplace accommodation for autistic traits. I moved from the project where always-on messaging became a requirement, because it was easier to live with the misconception that I am an intentionally ignorant Luddite. I am fortunate to have skills that are in demand.

Social networking tools have some useful applications, but expecting everyone to comply with their use in employment communications will potentially discriminate against and exclude capable people.

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By: Ron https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/#comment-111010 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:33:39 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1411#comment-111010 "if you aren’t using the service, because you think it’s nothing but vain, self-proclamations and promotions, then it’s clear you don’t “get it”.

Social networks are those things and more, such as Facebook's anti-privacy stance and the TOS of many such "free services" have a price - your freedom.

Also, by using them, it allows extreme transparency into ones' life which can be used by potential employers or anyone else who wants to gather information on you. "Followers" (or as I consider them "Stalkers") are a security risk; neither are these people nor the risk not wanted by me.

I'm no Luddite, having worked with computing technology since age 11 in 1978, but I for my own reasons (not fear or misunderstanding them) do not use social networking at all. (I used to, but wised up.)

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/#comment-111009 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:55:04 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1411#comment-111009 Then you are not one of the people that I am addressing. You appear to be aware of the technology, what it offers and what it provides, but because you have a neurological disorder, you cannot participate. It sounds like if you could, you would, but you can't. No, the people I'm addressing, I summed up very clearly here:

So, it never ceases to amaze me those who don’t understand the technology, or the Luddites fighting against it, keep saying “I don’t care what you had for breakfast”. Is it really hard to understand how to use a microblogging service?

Further:

So, to each their own, but if your problem with Twitter is not caring what people have for breakfast, then it’s clear that you don’t know what you’re talking about and you haven’t used the service.

I'm addressing the intentionally ignorant and naive. Are you intentionally ignorant and naive?

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By: Aspie https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/#comment-111008 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:15:30 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1411#comment-111008 I do have the patience to try something new, but I do not have the social wherewithal to make use of it. I identify strongly with the comments in articles such as http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=225700747 "Why Engineers do not like Twitter", so obviously I do have the volume to express displeasure and I am one of those you are addressing.

I am a technology worker and I am highly skilled (and qualified) in a specialized area of technology. I also happen to have Asperger's syndrome. The brain elements requisite for socializing are absent from my neurological makeup, and embedding employment in a stream of social trivia turns my impairment into a disability. I have direct experience of one project where the introduction of always-on messaging, and its broad acceptance, made my further involvement impossible.

This may be difficult to accept for those unaware of autism spectrum disorders, but communication media like Twitter, for all the evident value that they offer, can also be extremely isolating and frustrating to some people.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/#comment-111005 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:14:49 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1411#comment-111005 I don't think the last paragraph is harsh at all. I'm specifically addressing a certain group of people, not the general public. Those I'm addressing are the ones who wish off the services, without giving second though to them. It doesn't have to be Twitter. It can be anything: cell phones, television. the Internet, and so forth. If you don't have the patience to try something new, but have the volume to express your displeasure about it, you are the one I'm addressing.

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By: Aspie https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/#comment-111004 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:53:23 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1411#comment-111004 I find your comments very interesting. I find some of it very harsh, for instance your final paragraph where you say of non-users "it’s clear that you don’t know what you’re talking about".

From an alternative perspective, I think that there are people and personalities well-suited to sharing information within a stream of social trivia. There are people and personalities who find it hard, even impossible, to engage with informal social networking. In fact, Facebook, Twitter and similar are often discussed on Wrong Planet http://www.wrongplanet.net/index.php where people with autistic spectrum disorders are variously mystified, perplexed and excluded by social networking.

The last is the most interesting, and where social networking (in my case instant messaging) becomes a part of regular work routines, the technology begins to actively discriminate and exclude some human traits. The expectations that I will participate by social networking has undermined my contributions in a work program in which previously my output was consistent and excellent.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant, I merely wish to draw attention to the diversity of human character.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/#comment-111003 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 03:59:36 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1411#comment-111003 You must not have read the post

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By: NoOne https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/#comment-111002 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 03:47:45 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1411#comment-111002 "Hey, this other thing is just like IRC! Spend a few months at it and you can have a conversation!"

Why not just use IRC?

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/#comment-110998 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:14:50 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1411#comment-110998 @Brenda- Yeah. I'm not sure why the OpenID verification isn't working. I need to figure that out. I just haven't had the time. However, regarding your UserAgent string, I see: "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; U; en; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6 Opera 10.53". So, I'm guessing Opera 10.53? Interesting it reported you using Gecko, instead of Presto, however.

73 de KF7KPM

@David- I don't have any gear yet, other than EchoLink, which is hardly living the ham life. Hopefully soon.

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By: David https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/#comment-110997 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 00:45:26 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1411#comment-110997 Aaron,
Just saw that you get your radio license: congrats! I haven't made much use of mine lately -- perhaps I should find a way to rectify that. My radios have been in a box since I moved. Need to get them out.

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By: Brenda https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/#comment-110996 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 00:34:26 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1411#comment-110996 oh, and your openid verfication thing doesn't work.. it says "comment must be submitted via webform" - and i'm not using firefox thank you!

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By: Brenda https://pthree.org/2010/06/21/breakfast-anyone/#comment-110995 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 00:33:43 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1411#comment-110995 Snap - i blogged much the same thing this morning.
http://www.coffee.geek.nz/more-what-you-had-breakfast.html

73s de ZL2UMF

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