Comments on: Looking Forward to Ramadan https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/ Linux. GNU. Freedom. Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:42:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9-alpha-41547 By: Aditya https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111103 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:39:37 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111103 that's really nice you want to participate in ramadan to tell other people that Islam is Peace religion, in facts all religion always offer peace but we human make it worse, don't want to understand each other

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By: semko https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111100 Tue, 24 Aug 2010 04:13:03 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111100 Peter, lot of good points to talk about. But here is not the place for it.
I don't fear that may religion is "off". You have a worldview in which you see all religions the same way you see Christianity. And that's plain wrong. Are you afraid that my worldview may change yours?
You should question everything (but be respectful of those you question).
I have questioned everything, and at the end I came to Islam.
You may ask why? I can answer it this way. Today many people think when someone says that he or she is a believer that he or she doesn't want to know about science, or doesn't accept it. This behaviour is typical for today's "enlightened" world. The perception that all religions are against science stems from the western experience during the Enlightenment period.
For us Muslims it is fard (strong obligation) to learn, to search for the knowledge. In fact the first ayah (verse) from God Subhana we Teala to Muhammad pbuh begins with "Read, ..." and it wasn't "Believe". Although Qur'an is not the book of science, you can find in it scientific facts which were unknown to humans at the time of Muhammad pbuh.
Islam and science (I mean the real scientific facts) go really well together. No doubt. Except some theories, (emphasize theories), that today are accepted as facts, or forced on us to be facts.
The case of science today is to misuse it for the good of few and to make others blindly follow it as if it is the only true way. It reminds me of dark ages and how the church misused the religion. That's why I cannot consider science number one
We in the west fall always in the same trap. ๐Ÿ™
For myself not to fall in these traps I choose to follow the manual for life, that was given to me by the Creator of life.

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By: Peter Marreck https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111099 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:54:45 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111099 A somewhat hilarious take on a few biblical inconsistencies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk What meaning is to be drawn from a book called the "Word of God" that is rife with that much inconsistency? After how much explanation of this should things start to feel a little ridiculous? Have you made peace with these accusations? Does it not strike you as odd that Mormonism has had to change its stance on things like ideas around certain races? How can a religion change, yet not allowed to be questioned?

One thing that bothers me is that yes, it's great for all religions to get along with each other, but if there is only 1 truth (and if you don't believe that, that's an *entirely* different discussion), *why* do these same people not talk about their religions to each other? Are they fearful that something about their own religion may be "off"? That they might (God forbid) change their minds or worldviews? Do they just enjoy the conceit that they are in the "correct" religion?

The fact that religion is considered unquestionable is its worst trait. And as someone else said, good people and bad people will be good or bad regardless of religion. Aggressive and meek people will be aggressive or meek regardless of religion- and both will find religious texts to support their behavior. A person can aim for constant self-improvement without making it part of a religious cause.

I'm not atheist, but I sure wish people would consider science #1 (it is the real, secular "search for truth", after all) and then their religious beliefs.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111082 Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:23:15 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111082 No. We're taught that gambling is a sin as well, for the reasons you outlined. It leads to a horrid addiction and destroys families. If there are any two key principles taught in our church, it's to be in control of your passions, not your passions in control of you, and that families are one of the greatest gifts of God.

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By: Mackenzie https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111081 Tue, 17 Aug 2010 23:23:56 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111081 Gambling and drinking alcohol were, at a time, both sinful in Christianity as well (see the fervor that led to Prohibition). Quakers still keep gambling as something that's bad (I say it's like stealing from people who can't figure out probabilities ๐Ÿ˜› -- but I believe the reason is more to do with addiction and recklessly losing that which your entire family depends upon), but apparently alcohol's acceptable now if it's not near the Meetinghouse.

I know Mormons don't drink. Are you allowed to gamble?

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By: HopefulHopes https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111077 Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:27:38 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111077 By the way, the recitation after the fifth prayer is known as "Salatul-Taraweeh" ๐Ÿ™‚
Thank u !!

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111076 Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:24:52 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111076 Ah, thank you. I did not know that gambling was a sin in Islam.

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By: ahmed kotb https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111075 Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:15:06 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111075 God Bless u Aaran and lead u to the right path , but i wanted to add that gambling is a big sin in Islam , not stopped only during day in ramadan , but all time .

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By: Amr Ali https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111074 Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:10:26 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111074 I actually had a similar experience when I was in the USA, I've participated in Church of Christ Sunday prayers on more than one occasion I also participated in a Jewish synagogue more than once, I've read most of the Christian bible and most of the Chumash (Torah written in books) and the Talmud.

You will not regret this experience ever. ๐Ÿ™‚

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By: Hisham Najam https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111073 Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:11:37 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111073 Nice , Allah Bless You Aaron ๐Ÿ™‚

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By: Muhammad Negm https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111072 Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:55:35 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111072 God bless you ๐Ÿ™‚

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By: Fazil https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111071 Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:08:04 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111071 @Kevin carter
True religion cannot be found where it started. In the case of Islam, it all started in the area surrounding Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries. You cant say that all Muslims there are good. Even the King does things against Islam. According to Islam the Calipha should be the best Muslim among you not the relative of the previous Calipha. And do you see that in the place where it ALL started. The only thing God said was to follow the Quran (because it can't be tampered - it is the miracle given to the holy prophet). And God said to follow what written in it. The holy Prophet showed us the same through his life. I would ask you to watch this documentary for understanding the history of this wonderful religion.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam:_Empire_of_Faith)

Religion is a manual(for humans) made by God and no one else owns it even the prophet who preached it.

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By: semko https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111070 Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:46:29 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111070 @Kevin Carter - Religion does a lot to dissociate itself from the practice of killing, you just don't want to listen to that and accept it. So much killing has been done in the name of some "secular" ideas. In the name of socialism-communism, do you know how many people were killed? Do you know how many people were/are killed in the name of bringing democracy to people who just don't want democracy as they way of live, they were-are forced into democracy by killing/force. And I don't mean that these ideologies or whatever are bad per se. But the small group of the people who misuse them are.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111069 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:10:40 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111069 The Hebrew texts strictly forbid murder. "Thou shalt not kill." It's followed, taught as doctrine, and believed that you will go to hell for murder in both Christianity and Judaism. Further, both religions do nothing to condone the practice of murder.

With Islam, the Qur'an consistently teaches that killing is not part of their religion. However, high political leaders have made threats, and many followed through with, that they would kill non-believers for not converting, or killing those who abandoned Islam, by either conversion to another religion or something else. Military personnel have been known to make similar threats. The only way they can get away with it, is to proclaim they're doing it "in the name of Allah." Otherwise, it wouldn't be morally acceptable to kill. We have the same problem in Christianity and Judaism.

But the prophet Muhammad was a peaceful person, and constantly taught against violence and war. The religion of Islam teaches killing is bad. However, the culture (read military, political figures, etc), use the religion as a scapegoat for their activities and ruthless actions. Osama bin Laden is one such person, as are the countless suicide bombers.

Religion tension always builds when expanding to new territory. As you mentioned, the Spanish Inquisition and European Colonialism are testaments to that. Whenever there has been expansion by a culture, conflict is close at hand. People are territorial by nature, and extremely defensive of our personal belief systems, and we're willing to fight our ground to keep it.

But, it's important to note, none of the three major religions condone murder. All three have their religious zealots who believe God called them to a violent purpose to spread forth the religion or wipe wickedness from the face of the Earth. But according to the Torah, the Holy Bible and the Qur'an, Jehovah, God and Allah are gods of peace, mercy and love.

Unfortunately Kevin, it's this view that Muslims are hate-filled, reckless, killing machines, that has me participating in Ramadan. The more I can do to get this screwed up view out of people's heads, the better off this world will be.

Sorry mate, but as I mentioned previously, shame on you. You should know better.

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By: Kevin Carter https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111068 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:19:12 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111068 I am being serious. And yes, regardless of the religion, when people kill in the name of God, and that becomes associated with the religion, and the religion does little or nothing to dissociate itself from the practice, then that religion is off it's rocker. The Spanish Inquisition and European Colonialism spring quickly to mind. Christianity and Judaism seem to have toned their zeal down over the centuries. It remains to be seen if Islam can do the same.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111067 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:03:39 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111067 @Kevin Carter- Are you being serious, or just dicking around? If you're being serious, shame on you! Judging a religion of billions by the few crazies? I guess Christianity and Judaism is off their rocker too. After all, how long have the been killing each other in the name of God? Please.

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By: Kevin Carter https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111066 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:56:07 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111066 For another perspective on Islam, check out http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

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By: Ben https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111065 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:43:02 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111065 I had similar experiences as Aaron in Romania. Many of the nicest people I met had immigrated from Iran and Egypt, and were faithful Muslims. Great people. I'd never thought about participating in Ramadan, though. I'll have to keep it in mind for next year. ๐Ÿ™‚

Thanks for the post!

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By: Sam https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111064 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:58:47 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111064 I was so happy to find this! You won't be the only Mormon in Utah observing Ramadan, I know a handful. My personal reasons are first to support one of my Muslim friends in a place where he might feel alone in fasting, and second to increase my understanding of what Muslims do every year. It will be a a great time to look at my life and come closer to God as well.
The prejudiced and the ignorant aren't the majority they are simply the loudest.

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By: lo0m https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111063 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:33:00 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111063 Wow, this is actually great. I may have a different viewpoint on (organized) religion but it's great to see you doing this. Outside of the religion viewpoint, it's great that you'll be fasting. If nothing else, it is a great body cleaner (and yes, spiritual/mind cleaner too). Respect!

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111062 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:52:12 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111062 All- I appreciate the kind words you've given me so far. It's very encouraging, and I'm eager to get started tomorrow morning. I hope I make many Muslim friends during this time, I hope I grow more closer to God, and I hope that I learn more about Islam.

Ramadan Kareem to all of you.

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By: Sara https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111061 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:51:50 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111061 Thank you so much for being respectful. I have met people who think they have the right to treat me in any manner they wish. I live in South Carolina where people are not open, and on a daily basis, I have had people who have brought me their ignorance. It is emotionally difficult, especially when you try to correct others but they do not seem to care. You have done a beautiful job representing my cultural background.

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By: usman https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111060 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 05:40:37 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111060 Fear of God is considered a good trait for the followers of a particular religion that teaches so. Someone who doesn't believe in God will naturally not fear him or consider it a good trait. Consider this:

A person who does not fear law (e.g traffic laws) will naturally believe that fearing law is not a good trait and for him law doesn't exist but for others it does and is considered a good trait for those who believe in it. Consider religion, especially Islam as a law sent to us by our creator. It's like a 'user manual' which tells us how to carry ourselves in this world, written by the creator Himself.

@Aaron the fifth prayer is called Isha

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By: Paul Kishimoto https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111059 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 04:08:34 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111059 Here we see the always-curious spectacle of atheists preaching about the ills of...preaching....but I'm with #11, this was great. As a Torontonian (Brampton born, Mississauga raised), it was extra poignant to hear my hometown (rather, the people in it) had such an effect on you.I'm about to move *away* for two years, and the diversity is one of the things I think I will miss immediately.

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By: Joรฃo Pinto https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111058 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:14:26 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111058 @Aaaron, I don't see how depending on 'fear' to keep focus can be a good thing. I am an atheist, I keep focus and I want to do what is right because I care about people. I care how my actions help or hurt people. We should not depend on someone's else existence (spiritual or physical) to care about people, that should come from ourselves.
Acting from the fear that someone is always watching you is very close to a dictatorship .
People should drive their life seeking a better world for every human being, not by fear from punishment.
Anyway it's very pleasant to see a religion member promoting other, it shows that people which care about other people does not need to do it in the name of a specific God.

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By: Allan https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111057 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:19:07 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111057 โ€œReligion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.โ€ - Steven Weinberg

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By: glimmung https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111056 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:15:17 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111056 heartening post. i'm an atheist, but on a spiritual journey nonetheless. like you i have very positive experiences of islam, and i also think that it's important to talk to and to try to understand people who are different from ourselves.

as for ubuntu - well, this seems entirely on topic - humanity to others.

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By: Akshat Jain https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111055 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:08:36 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111055 You really need to see this movie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Name_Is_Khan

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By: Radek https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111054 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:56:00 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111054 Knowledge and understanding is mother true tollerance and peacefull life. Thank you for your decision.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111053 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:01:16 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111053 @Mackenzie- My wife purchased the hijab at a local middle eastern store here in Salt Lake City. They had quite a few to choose from. It's also the same place I got my topi. Also, this is my first Ramadan, so I haven't made any plans, other than attending one or two recitations after the fifth prayer (not sure what it's called, actually). So, I guess I should get on that, and start making some more plans. Especially for Eid ul-Fitr.

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By: Mackenzie https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111052 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:56:53 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111052 OK wait one more...
Where did your wife buy the hijab? I'm perpetually jealous of the beautiful textiles.

/me scowls at the "Windows 7" next to own name... darned office

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By: Mackenzie https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111051 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:52:15 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111051 Oh hehe and now I just remembered that the first time I went to Eid, I took my copy of the Hitchhikers Guide with me. It's that one referred to as "the Bible edition"--black cover, gold-embossed with gold-edged pages and a black ribbon. I was asked whether it was the Quran.

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By: Mackenzie https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111050 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:49:26 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111050 Great! So have you made plans for Eid yet? I've been going to Eid feasts since 2007.

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By: Rashief https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111049 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:12:17 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111049 Glad to see your post... such religious and cultural tolerance is hard to find.

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By: semko https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111048 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:04:14 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111048 Nice to see that there are people with an open mind, who are not afraid of the unfamiliar, who are tolerant, who are God afraid. Now I know you do this for the Love of God, may He give you the will and power to succeed in fasting this month, and also in trying to present Islam and Muslims as they truly are. It seems that we Muslims are afraid to talk about ourselves, our religion or that we even hide that we are Muslims not to provoke others.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111047 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:26:05 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111047 @Bert Claes- I appreciate your concern about wanting to read only posts related to Ubuntu on Planet Ubuntu. However, the planet is meant to be a portal into the lives of those who are Ubuntu members. Posts do not have to limited in scope to Ubuntu directly. You'll find this is the case with most planets.

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By: Someone https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111046 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:14:35 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111046 This is definitely the best post I have ever read on Planet Ubuntu. I was really impacted by it, such that I was about to cry. I wish you the best, good luck!

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By: Bert Claes https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111045 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:05:19 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111045 hi Aaron, Glad for you that you're so happy, but is there a way this doesn't show up on Planet Ubuntu? I fail to see this has anything to do with ubuntu...

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111044 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:18:29 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111044 @Peter- As @Immy mentioned, fearing God is a good trait, because it keeps your focus in the right place. It's not so much as being afraid of God, as it is revering God. God is watching you. You cannot hide from Him. Understanding this, means that you will want to do what is right. Hebrews 12:28-29 nails it right on the head:

28. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29. For our God is a consuming fire.

To the unbeliever, fearing God means upsetting the wrath of God, fearing His eternal judgement and eternal damnation. To the believer, to fear God means to have reverence for Him. It is the motivating factor to surrender everything we have, even our own lives if necessary, to the Grand Creator.

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By: Immy https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111043 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:36:13 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111043 Nice to see such a post from a non-Muslim. Thanks for understanding us Muslims and Islam. May Allah bless you. ๐Ÿ™‚

@Peter Because, you would be hesitant before doing something wrong. When one believes in and fears God truly, he knows that he has no way to escape God who constantly watches him, even though he sins when no one is around. So, he tries to avoid committing sin as much as he can.

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By: Peter https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111042 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:37:41 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111042 Generally a nice post, but why is fear of god a good trait?

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By: NickG https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111041 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:23:52 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111041 If the commonality between religions fascinates you, may I suggest watching the free movie Zeitgeist over at http://vimeo.com/13726978

There's some more info about it on the wikipedia link ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist:_the_Movie ) but I watched it the other day and it's certainly an interesting watch.

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By: Col https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111040 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:21:35 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111040 Culture, religion, and ethnicity are not interchangeable terms and indoctrination is child abuse.

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By: Azzeddine https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111039 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:11:59 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111039 Congrats to you! It's a huge project.
Beside the spiritual aspect of fasting you'll notice that it's healthy.
Greetings from Morocco ๐Ÿ™‚

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By: Mohamed Zaian https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111038 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:06:07 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111038 Thank you for this amazing post Aaron i'm looking forward for your posts @ Ramadhan also i will try to send you some of the events we will have in Egypt during Ramadhan

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By: usman https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111037 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:52:25 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111037 Great to read your post and get to know such a wonderful person who can recognize the real face of Islam and Muslims in this world of Racism with Anti-Islam campaigns running everywhere. Good luck with Ramadhan and your school. Hope to hear more from you about how your Ramadhan goes.

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By: partikc https://pthree.org/2010/08/09/looking-forward-to-ramadan/#comment-111036 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:00:19 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1435#comment-111036 that's the side of religion i can totally relate to ๐Ÿ™‚ people always argue about christianity, atheism, muslims, and which kind of ethnic mindset is best when we all could just coexist peacefully.

nice post!

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