Comments on: Ramadan - Week Three https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/ Linux. GNU. Freedom. Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:42:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9-alpha-41547 By: Aaron Toponce : Ramadan – Week 4 https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111224 Fri, 10 Sep 2010 04:22:46 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111224 [...] ColophonSite LicenseDesktop CamContactWhiskerino 2009{ 2010 09 09 }Ramadan – Week 4My third second week of experiencing Ramadan is already documented, this is week four.Ramadan has come to a close. It’s the end of an old month and the [...]

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By: Daniel https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111215 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:59:02 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111215 Here in Beirut, we just broke fast for 3id al-Fitr. "Kull 3am w entu bi khayr"--May you be in God's good grace for the coming year.

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By: Mackenzie https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111145 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:58:02 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111145 I don't see anything extreme about it. But then you know I went to visit the masjid too 🙂

My family is Catholic. Having visited a Jewish Synagogue, Masjid, and participated in a Tea Ceremony (Buddhist, I think?), I've probably poked around at other religions the most. The Catholic school I attended had a Seder at Passover too, though, so clearly they don't think Judaism's too odd, and since they took us to visit the Amish, I guess they're ok with other denominations too. My family all like to visit other denominations' churches, mostly Baptist for the hymns, though sometimes Methodist too, and I once brought them along to the Quaker Meeting.

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By: Sadiq https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111144 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 05:59:07 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111144 Dear Aaron,Salaams.Wonderful sharing and wonderful practices. May your sincerity of the heart be accepted and reward by the Lord, the Most Loving, the Tenderly Compassionate.I have shared your links in my latest post.http://www.mysticsaint.info/2010/09/initiation-ramadan-western-fasting.htmlPeace!

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111143 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:31:02 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111143 @Tachyon- Well, I'm not in a position of leadership in the ward. I'm just the ward organist. However, local authorities are expected, encouraged, and taught to direct cases such as yours through the proper channels of professional help. Local church leaders are only to guide and direct on spiritual matters. Suicide tendencies and pornography addictions are not things that church leaders should handle, and they're aware of this. So, if your Bishop and/or Stake President was making that attempt, they were out of line. LDS Family Services is an appropriate channel for them to direct you to. They are licensed to handle such situations.

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By: Tachyon Feathertail https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111142 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:03:22 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111142 Agh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that it stripped paragraphs.

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By: Tachyon Feathertail https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111141 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:02:12 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111141 @Aaron- I was acting on those thoughts via masturbation and viewing PG-rated "pornography" drawings. I'm sorry for not being more specific.

Local leaders do not have clinical training, and do not know that shame fuels addiction. They only know to look out for signs of guilt. So people who don't confess to anything are let through, while people who are afraid they might have done something wrong are told to stop and made to feel horrible about it -- through no fault of the leaders themselves. And then if their charges can't "stay in the strait and narrow" they're tormented with the knowledge that they'll be kept from their families in the eternities.

I'm "happy now," but I find it extremely traumatic and triggering to discuss the abuse I received. I'm very much not alone, as I found out from online support groups and from reading accounts of suicides. Please consider reading about it, so as to be sensitive to the needs of those in your ward or branch who are going through this right now. I could find you some links which won't attack or challenge your faith if you want.

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111140 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:21:36 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111140 @Tachyon Feathertail- Sorry to hear about your experience. However, if your Bishop or Stake President was keeping you out of the temple, because of thoughts, then that is their discretion. It is hard to control your thoughts, however, as long as you are repentant, and not ACTING on those thoughts (adultry, fornication, masturbation, viewing pornography, etc), then you should be fine.

Sometimes, I have bad thoughts when I see an attractive woman, but I try to keep my thoughts in check, and I do not act on them. I do the best I can to ask God for forgiveness for my sins, so during these interviews, I feel that I'm worthy to enter the temple. I don't feel that I need to share my thoughts with them, as I am doing my best to avoid them.

Anyway, I'm sorry that you had that experience, but it seems like you're happy now, and that's all that is important. Keep your faith in God, try to do the right thing, stay in the strait and narrow, and you'll be okay.

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By: Tachyon Feathertail https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111139 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:05:12 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111139 I was kept out of the temple, through those interviews -- behind closed doors with an adult male authority figure -- because I couldn't stop myself having sexual thoughts while unmarried. I was guilted by multiple bishops, threatened with church discipline, told by my father that I was "damned" (to the Telestial Kingdom) and would be separate from my family in the eternities, and sent to LDS Family Services for counseling.

I was given books to read. I stopped playing online games even though all my friends were there. I nearly killed myself. It wasn't until I finally broke with the LDS church over ethical and historical reasons that I realized how I'd been abused.In the interests of compassion and tolerance I thought I would provide a bit of perspective on this point that you mentioned. Eid mubarak.

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By: nasrullah https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111137 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:42:22 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111137 May Allah keep you in the right path ..

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By: Aaron https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111134 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:12:24 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111134 @Bashar- Thank you sir.

@Steve Dibb- I'll add more about what I'm reading in the Qur'an on Identica (and as a result, Facebook). I'll see if I can add some stuff about the Qur'an in the next post.

@Semko- No, I don't find growing a beard extreme regardless of culture or country of origin. You're probably in the minority, but that doesn't mean you're an extremist.

@Ahmed Kamal- Thank you sir. Happy Eid to you too!

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By: Ahmed Kamal https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111132 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:01:18 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111132 Aaron,
This is some great stuff you're doing. I do hold a great deal of respect for you and what you're doing and how you're keeping an open mind. Thanks for sharing all of this with us. Happy Eid el fetr 🙂

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By: semko https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111131 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:42:24 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111131 It depends on who decides what is "extreme" - or to say it this way - in what kind of environment you live. That what you are doing doesn't seem to be extreme to me. If I'm doing something "extreme" I just ask myself is it extreme in the eyes of God, or just in my or any other people eyes. I'm trying to follow the sunnah of the Prophet pbuh as much as possible. So I'm growing a beard. But for a Muslim to have a beard that's the sign of extremism here in Bosnia. For Croats, Serbs, Atheist, whoever, it's no problem to have a beard, but for a Muslim it is. Am I extreme in your eyes?

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By: Steve Dibb https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111129 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:00:48 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111129 Aaron,

No, I don't think you're doing anything extreme, and the participatory stuff I wouldn't consider affiliating yourself. I'm too tired to go in more detail, but I'd love to chat with you about it sometime.

Also, please post some stuff about the scriptures -- not just what you're eating every day. 🙂 I'm really curious about those.

Steve

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By: Bashar https://pthree.org/2010/09/01/ramadan-week-three/#comment-111128 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 00:54:15 +0000 http://pthree.org/?p=1503#comment-111128 May Allah enlighten your sight and guide your heart.

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